Secondary Okay heading into next season?

cardboardboxer · 02-24-2005, 03:33 PM

As far as Watson? I really didn\'t see him do too much. He did okay at times. Most of the time, I didn\'t see him around the ball too much. I think we need a TRUE impact player at MLB.

Well...he ins\'t impact. But he does a good job of getting to the ball (like S. Night used to do here), and he is the best LB we have in the position against the run. Lord knows the Saints need to do that more.

Did the talk of Will Smith being a possible LB dry up with Horward\'s likely departure?

BreesFN9 · 02-24-2005, 04:04 PM

Smith as a LB?? Never heard that but I like the Sounds of it already!

Danno · 02-24-2005, 04:06 PM

JKool you are correct, replacing Tebuckey and Bellamy are a bit down the list of defensive improvements. They are quite serviceable. But for the money we\'re paying Tebucky I think we can improve that position at no additional cost.
My list of priorities to make this defense better are as follows...
1. SLB-An A player. Not a jouneyman or a mid/late round pick. A stud free-agent or a 1st/2nd rounder
2. DT-He doesn\'t need to be an all out stud, just a solid 2-gapper to allow Young to shoot the gap.
3. WLB-Another A player. I like Bockwoldt, but he\'s a 7th round project who is only starting because everyone else sucks.
4. SS-Upgrading Bellamy is next. Mel may be the guy, but I wouldn\'t mind a fairly early pick to groom.
5. FS-I could live with T$E one more year, but not one nanosecond more.
6. CB-Youth and depth. Behind DE, our most talented unit.

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 12:48 PM

This is one of the most productive threads I\'ve read in a long time.

I think most are in agreement tha our primary need is at linebacker. I\'m in that boat. Let\'s hope Haslett is too!

I think most are in agreement that DT is the next area of need. I think?

Either DT or safety.

So, it\'s LB, DT, and safety and most will be satisfied?!

One of those positions intrigues me....

The interesting thing to me is Jonathan Sullivan. We know he\'s got the talent. IF IF IF IF IF, Sullivan wakes up what an added bonus that would be.

Then all we would need is a LB and a safety!

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 01:32 PM

I have been an advocate for drafting a Safety in the 1st round...and will continue to be so...

Our Lb\'s are young....the core of them..have less than 3 years exp in the NFL...that includes Grant..he has yet to play any substantial amount of time...and his injuries..could keep him gone for good possibly...or at least gone from here...

The point is...These young guys...the one\'s who came in and played well...Allen..Watson..Buckwoldt...I know Buckwoldt is a stretch to say he played well..but he did exceed expectations...

These guys need to just go out there and play...they will get better...and will likely do more good for this team ..than some rookie...really...I mean..they do have some exp in the NFL....even if only minimal..If we were to draft a rookie...the story would go something like this..\'\'Give him a year or two..and he\'ll be good\'\'..We have allready acquired 2 young..fast..and smart LB\'s..that now have the much needed 1st year out of the way...and you want to just let them ride the pine now?....

It\'s counter productive....you can\'t possibly expect them to improve sitting on the sides?...no...the focal point made clear by Jim..is the right choice...Safety...it needs to be addressed now..and needs to be given the consideration that the position demands...you really need a top notch safety..if your going to have a great defense..period...

Look at Harrison with the Pats..

Dawkins with the Eagles....and Lewis..for that matter..

John Lynch with Tampa...before he left..

Ed Reed ( Defensive MVP) for the Ravens..

Look how much the rams D improved by bringing in Archuleta...

All of the really good one\'s have a great safety...and always have...

The Safety position is of dire need right now...and we need a big timer in there..not some..\'\'project\'\' that a 3rd round pick or later usually entails...

baronm · 02-25-2005, 01:52 PM

you know it\'s not really about what round they get drafted in-you can find some studs late..but the thing that scares me is that hte saints will grab a second or third round talent in the first...ala sulivan.

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 01:58 PM

but the thing that scares me is that hte saints will grab a second or third round talent in the first...ala sulivan

I don\'t agree with that!

If it\'s one thing I can\'t fault the Saints for it\'s drafting \"busts\" in the 1st round of the draft.

1. Deuce McAllister.
2. Charles Grant.
3. Will Smith.

And how can you call Sullivan 3rd rate talent? Sullivan was forecasted to be drafted int the 1st round by every scouting service in the country. If the Saints wouldn\'t have taken Sullivan in the first round ... some other team would have...

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 02:01 PM

That is partially true...talent is based on skills shown..and people are place accordingly..however...the sometimes unusual person may achieve greatness...when he really wasn\'t expected to do so..but..more times than not...the highest draft picks..play better...

I really like the top 2 safeties..and..IMO..we could\'nt go wrong with either...as a 1st round pick...It won\'t be Sully pt. 2...not by a long shot..

Like the rare occasion where a bottom tier pick makes good, you also have that rare occasion..where a top tier..doesn\'t..but..none in recent memory have dissapointed to the degree in which Sully has....He was a freak accident...one which we still feel the sting from...

We will get a 1st round safety..and our D will improve...

02-24-2005, 03:33 PM	#31
cardboardboxer Registered Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 65	Secondary Okay heading into next season? As far as Watson? I really didn\'t see him do too much. He did okay at times. Most of the time, I didn\'t see him around the ball too much. I think we need a TRUE impact player at MLB. Well...he ins\'t impact. But he does a good job of getting to the ball (like S. Night used to do here), and he is the best LB we have in the position against the run. Lord knows the Saints need to do that more. Did the talk of Will Smith being a possible LB dry up with Horward\'s likely departure?
cardboardboxer Registered Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 65

02-24-2005, 04:04 PM	#32
BreesFN9 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 596	Secondary Okay heading into next season? Smith as a LB?? Never heard that but I like the Sounds of it already!

02-24-2005, 04:06 PM	#33
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Secondary Okay heading into next season? JKool you are correct, replacing Tebuckey and Bellamy are a bit down the list of defensive improvements. They are quite serviceable. But for the money we\'re paying Tebucky I think we can improve that position at no additional cost. My list of priorities to make this defense better are as follows... 1. SLB-An A player. Not a jouneyman or a mid/late round pick. A stud free-agent or a 1st/2nd rounder 2. DT-He doesn\'t need to be an all out stud, just a solid 2-gapper to allow Young to shoot the gap. 3. WLB-Another A player. I like Bockwoldt, but he\'s a 7th round project who is only starting because everyone else sucks. 4. SS-Upgrading Bellamy is next. Mel may be the guy, but I wouldn\'t mind a fairly early pick to groom. 5. FS-I could live with T$E one more year, but not one nanosecond more. 6. CB-Youth and depth. Behind DE, our most talented unit.

02-25-2005, 12:48 PM	#34
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Secondary Okay heading into next season? This is one of the most productive threads I\'ve read in a long time. I think most are in agreement tha our primary need is at linebacker. I\'m in that boat. Let\'s hope Haslett is too! I think most are in agreement that DT is the next area of need. I think? Either DT or safety. So, it\'s LB, DT, and safety and most will be satisfied?! One of those positions intrigues me.... The interesting thing to me is Jonathan Sullivan. We know he\'s got the talent. IF IF IF IF IF, Sullivan wakes up what an added bonus that would be. Then all we would need is a LB and a safety!
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02-25-2005, 01:32 PM	#35
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Secondary Okay heading into next season? I have been an advocate for drafting a Safety in the 1st round...and will continue to be so... Our Lb\'s are young....the core of them..have less than 3 years exp in the NFL...that includes Grant..he has yet to play any substantial amount of time...and his injuries..could keep him gone for good possibly...or at least gone from here... The point is...These young guys...the one\'s who came in and played well...Allen..Watson..Buckwoldt...I know Buckwoldt is a stretch to say he played well..but he did exceed expectations... These guys need to just go out there and play...they will get better...and will likely do more good for this team ..than some rookie...really...I mean..they do have some exp in the NFL....even if only minimal..If we were to draft a rookie...the story would go something like this..\'\'Give him a year or two..and he\'ll be good\'\'..We have allready acquired 2 young..fast..and smart LB\'s..that now have the much needed 1st year out of the way...and you want to just let them ride the pine now?.... It\'s counter productive....you can\'t possibly expect them to improve sitting on the sides?...no...the focal point made clear by Jim..is the right choice...Safety...it needs to be addressed now..and needs to be given the consideration that the position demands...you really need a top notch safety..if your going to have a great defense..period... Look at Harrison with the Pats.. Dawkins with the Eagles....and Lewis..for that matter.. John Lynch with Tampa...before he left.. Ed Reed ( Defensive MVP) for the Ravens.. Look how much the rams D improved by bringing in Archuleta... All of the really good one\'s have a great safety...and always have... The Safety position is of dire need right now...and we need a big timer in there..not some..\'\'project\'\' that a 3rd round pick or later usually entails...
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02-25-2005, 01:52 PM	#36
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Secondary Okay heading into next season? you know it\'s not really about what round they get drafted in-you can find some studs late..but the thing that scares me is that hte saints will grab a second or third round talent in the first...ala sulivan.
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02-25-2005, 01:58 PM	#37
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Secondary Okay heading into next season? but the thing that scares me is that hte saints will grab a second or third round talent in the first...ala sulivan I don\'t agree with that! If it\'s one thing I can\'t fault the Saints for it\'s drafting \"busts\" in the 1st round of the draft. 1. Deuce McAllister. 2. Charles Grant. 3. Will Smith. And how can you call Sullivan 3rd rate talent? Sullivan was forecasted to be drafted int the 1st round by every scouting service in the country. If the Saints wouldn\'t have taken Sullivan in the first round ... some other team would have...
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02-25-2005, 02:01 PM	#38
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Secondary Okay heading into next season? That is partially true...talent is based on skills shown..and people are place accordingly..however...the sometimes unusual person may achieve greatness...when he really wasn\'t expected to do so..but..more times than not...the highest draft picks..play better... I really like the top 2 safeties..and..IMO..we could\'nt go wrong with either...as a 1st round pick...It won\'t be Sully pt. 2...not by a long shot.. Like the rare occasion where a bottom tier pick makes good, you also have that rare occasion..where a top tier..doesn\'t..but..none in recent memory have dissapointed to the degree in which Sully has....He was a freak accident...one which we still feel the sting from... We will get a 1st round safety..and our D will improve...
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