2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

hagan714 · 05-05-2016, 04:38 PM

I spent the past few days looking at 2017 mock draft and the ones that actually predict a seasons standings. Guess what, almost all of them have us pretty much back in the top 10. Last place in south.

So if you believe the media scouts there is no reason getting hyped or excited by any of our additions.

Me i say they are all overrated. I can not wait to see what happens with fat boy gone.

jeanpierre · 05-06-2016, 12:01 PM

Really don't like that the Saints used two picks to get DT David Onyemata when there was better, more developed tackles available into the fifth round of the draft...

We caught a break with the UDRFA class with the interior offensive line and with free safety...

We still could use another long defensive end and another interior defensive lineman...

|Mitch| · 05-06-2016, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We still could use another long defensive end and another interior defensive lineman...

Proposed Depth Chart – Defensive Line
LDE: Nick Fairley; Bobby Richardson
LDT: John Jenkins; Tyeler Davison
RDT: Sheldon Rankins; David Onyemata
RDE: Cameron Jordan; Obum Gwacham

https://whodatwarriors.com/2016/05/0...sition-change/

A way to get the best talent on the field

jeanpierre · 05-06-2016, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

https://whodatwarriors.com/2016/05/0...sition-change/

A way to get the best talent on the field

Don't expect John Jenkins on the Game 1 roster...

ChrisXVI · 05-07-2016, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Don't expect John Jenkins on the Game 1 roster...

This gives me an idea for a question. Who do you guys see as possible surprise cuts this year? John Jenkins is a pretty good possibility.

K Major · 05-06-2016, 12:34 PM

My short list of "camp beasts" (in no specific order) ...

Caputo
Trae Elston
Lasco
Von Bell

Side note - JP, why no love for Anthony Pistelli (kicker from Samford)??

jeanpierre · 05-07-2016, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

My short list of "camp beasts" (in no specific order) ...

Caputo
Trae Elston
Lasco
Von Bell

Side note - JP, why no love for Anthony Pistelli (kicker from Samford)??

FIFY

jeanpierre · 05-07-2016, 09:51 PM

Jenkins is a strong candidate for two reasons; one, Payton really wanted to install a 3-4 front and Jenkins, pardon the pun, was a big part of that plan...

Don't think you hang it all on Jenkins, Rob Ryan lacked the organizational skills to install and run the defense, now you have Dennis Allen who's a 4-3 system guy and Jenkins is a poor fit and D.A. hasn't shown the creativeness to put together a plan with what he has, rather going out looking for pieces...

I can see the Saints trying to trade Spiller and possibly even Byrd before outright releasing them...

Should Keenan Lewis age, injuries continue to be an issue throughout offseason and training camp, Westbank could also be expendable if last seasons' draft picks progress...

hagan714 · 05-08-2016, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Jenkins is a strong candidate for two reasons; one, Payton really wanted to install a 3-4 front and Jenkins, pardon the pun, was a big part of that plan...Don't think you hang it all on Jenkins, Rob Ryan lacked the organizational skills to install and run the defense, now you have Dennis Allen who's a 4-3 system guy and Jenkins is a poor fit and D.A. hasn't shown the creativeness to put together a plan with what he has, rather going out looking for pieces...

Actual if Jenkins has any hope of getting his career back on track it is in a 43. The 34 was joke once teams scout him up. He spent his whole time getting blocked into the concession stands. Foe a guy that size it is amazing how he got rage dolled and pancaked time and time again. He still has the same knock against him as when he came out of college. Poor game strength. I call it lazy. DA did a great job IMO. he along cost us from being in the top ten in the draft.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I can see the Saints trying to trade Spiller and possibly even Byrd before outright releasing them...

Trade Spiller and/or Byrd? I seriously doubt it. we over payed for both and nether has done squat since getting here. I just do not see anyone out there that stupid to repeat our mistake.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Should Keenan Lewis age, injuries continue to be an issue throughout offseason and training camp, Westbank could also be expendable if last seasons' draft picks progress...

If he is a no go it could be a verryyyy longggg year yet again.

jeanpierre · 05-08-2016, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Actual if Jenkins has any hope of getting his career back on track it is in a 43. The 34 was joke once teams scout him up. He spent his whole time getting blocked into the concession stands. Foe a guy that size it is amazing how he got rage dolled and pancaked time and time again. He still has the same knock against him as when he came out of college. Poor game strength. I call it lazy. DA did a great job IMO. he along cost us from being in the top ten in the draft.

Well, the Saints did have him lose alot of bulk last season; it was yet another bad decision by the Saints to expend two draft picks to move up and grab a player that the Saints "had information was about to be taken", which is becoming a common theme for this front office...

Originally Posted by hagan714

Trade Spiller and/or Byrd? I seriously doubt it. we over payed for both and nether has done squat since getting here. I just do not see anyone out there that stupid to repeat our mistake.

Well some of those contracts have already been paid, and we'd be on the hook this season for the cap numbers...so a team, say a contender, in need of a RB or FS could be willing to acquire either for a Day 3 pick...

05-05-2016, 04:38 PM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook I spent the past few days looking at 2017 mock draft and the ones that actually predict a seasons standings. Guess what, almost all of them have us pretty much back in the top 10. Last place in south. So if you believe the media scouts there is no reason getting hyped or excited by any of our additions. Me i say they are all overrated. I can not wait to see what happens with fat boy gone.

05-06-2016, 12:01 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Really don't like that the Saints used two picks to get DT David Onyemata when there was better, more developed tackles available into the fifth round of the draft... We caught a break with the UDRFA class with the interior offensive line and with free safety... We still could use another long defensive end and another interior defensive lineman... MarchingOn likes this.

05-06-2016, 12:43 PM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre We still could use another long defensive end and another interior defensive lineman... Proposed Depth Chart – Defensive Line LDE: Nick Fairley; Bobby Richardson LDT: John Jenkins; Tyeler Davison RDT: Sheldon Rankins; David Onyemata RDE: Cameron Jordan; Obum Gwacham https://whodatwarriors.com/2016/05/0...sition-change/ A way to get the best talent on the field

05-06-2016, 02:26 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| https://whodatwarriors.com/2016/05/0...sition-change/ A way to get the best talent on the field Don't expect John Jenkins on the Game 1 roster...

05-07-2016, 04:00 PM	#5
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Don't expect John Jenkins on the Game 1 roster... This gives me an idea for a question. Who do you guys see as possible surprise cuts this year? John Jenkins is a pretty good possibility.

05-06-2016, 12:34 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook My short list of "camp beasts" (in no specific order) ... Caputo Trae Elston Lasco Von Bell Side note - JP, why no love for Anthony Pistelli (kicker from Samford)??

05-07-2016, 01:48 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major My short list of "camp beasts" (in no specific order) ... Caputo Trae Elston Lasco Von Bell Side note - JP, why no love for Anthony Pistelli (kicker from Samford)?? FIFY

05-07-2016, 09:51 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Jenkins is a strong candidate for two reasons; one, Payton really wanted to install a 3-4 front and Jenkins, pardon the pun, was a big part of that plan... Don't think you hang it all on Jenkins, Rob Ryan lacked the organizational skills to install and run the defense, now you have Dennis Allen who's a 4-3 system guy and Jenkins is a poor fit and D.A. hasn't shown the creativeness to put together a plan with what he has, rather going out looking for pieces... I can see the Saints trying to trade Spiller and possibly even Byrd before outright releasing them... Should Keenan Lewis age, injuries continue to be an issue throughout offseason and training camp, Westbank could also be expendable if last seasons' draft picks progress...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

05-08-2016, 04:17 AM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jenkins is a strong candidate for two reasons; one, Payton really wanted to install a 3-4 front and Jenkins, pardon the pun, was a big part of that plan...Don't think you hang it all on Jenkins, Rob Ryan lacked the organizational skills to install and run the defense, now you have Dennis Allen who's a 4-3 system guy and Jenkins is a poor fit and D.A. hasn't shown the creativeness to put together a plan with what he has, rather going out looking for pieces... Actual if Jenkins has any hope of getting his career back on track it is in a 43. The 34 was joke once teams scout him up. He spent his whole time getting blocked into the concession stands. Foe a guy that size it is amazing how he got rage dolled and pancaked time and time again. He still has the same knock against him as when he came out of college. Poor game strength. I call it lazy. DA did a great job IMO. he along cost us from being in the top ten in the draft. Originally Posted by jeanpierre I can see the Saints trying to trade Spiller and possibly even Byrd before outright releasing them... Trade Spiller and/or Byrd? I seriously doubt it. we over payed for both and nether has done squat since getting here. I just do not see anyone out there that stupid to repeat our mistake. Originally Posted by jeanpierre Should Keenan Lewis age, injuries continue to be an issue throughout offseason and training camp, Westbank could also be expendable if last seasons' draft picks progress... If he is a no go it could be a verryyyy longggg year yet again.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

05-08-2016, 06:57 AM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by hagan714 Actual if Jenkins has any hope of getting his career back on track it is in a 43. The 34 was joke once teams scout him up. He spent his whole time getting blocked into the concession stands. Foe a guy that size it is amazing how he got rage dolled and pancaked time and time again. He still has the same knock against him as when he came out of college. Poor game strength. I call it lazy. DA did a great job IMO. he along cost us from being in the top ten in the draft. Well, the Saints did have him lose alot of bulk last season; it was yet another bad decision by the Saints to expend two draft picks to move up and grab a player that the Saints "had information was about to be taken", which is becoming a common theme for this front office... Originally Posted by hagan714 Trade Spiller and/or Byrd? I seriously doubt it. we over payed for both and nether has done squat since getting here. I just do not see anyone out there that stupid to repeat our mistake. Well some of those contracts have already been paid, and we'd be on the hook this season for the cap numbers...so a team, say a contender, in need of a RB or FS could be willing to acquire either for a Day 3 pick...

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