2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

K Major · 07-14-2016, 01:43 PM

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jeanpierre · 07-14-2016, 10:26 PM

Cooks, Boldin, Snead, Thomas and Player to be named?

Plus the Tight Ends and ScatBacks - that would be potent...

I like Boldin in a share with the rookie Thomas, if he's okay with the role...

hagan714 · 07-15-2016, 04:09 AM

despite all the love for the DT moves, the saints will need a DT that can fill the NT role better. yep doubling down on speed and quickness at DT is only good if you can bull rush with regularity. I do not see that on the roster.

If the saints think they have the next Muhammad Wilkerson, a DT that is so well rounded that he can play anywhere up front on the roster they will be disappointed. More importantly a DT has to have great instincts and a very high football IQ to work in this scheme. If not they will be trapped blocked right out of the dome. In all honesty this is what DA is going to try to do with the players he has.

DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 90 - Nick Fairley, 93 - David Onyemata

Can Nick Fairley become the player he can be? I think he is his own worse enemy. Skill set is there but does he have the football IQ and instincts to handle this scheme? I say yes and blame lack of studying and too much living the high life. He become a self inflated fat cat after the draft. It all went to his head. Is he grounded and more importantly is he a player that shows up when contract time is right around the corner?

Sheldon is a sit back and see what we does player IMO. Over hyped or not? either way he should be a solid player.

Onyemata god only knows

Tyeler Davison and John Jenkins still have a lot to prove.

I am looking for Tyeler to over take Jenkins by seasons end if he can handle the mental part of the game. Once again DT need to be smart to make this scheme work. If not they will be trapped blocked right out of the dome.

John Jenkins time with saints might be over in 2017. improvement or need is his only hopes of staying.

So DT has plenty of questions to answer and plenty of players that are replaceable.

2017 returning players
DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata
NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison,

90 - Nick Fairley is a huge talented question mark

By season end we will feel a bit better about DT but that is about it

1 - Do we cut our loses with Byrd and throw money at a Muhammad Wilkerson?

Issue is our own FA and is this the last year of Byrd. Can Vonn Bell replace Byrd or at the least can CB play step up enough to make Bell work as a FS? So safety is the a huge key. David Onyemata is a wild card here.

2 - So do you roll the dice in the draft?

Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama - a fav
Chris Wormley, DE/DT, Michigan - watch list

Both have that same kind of skill set and size of a Wilkerson.

I really do not see a True NT solution out there in FA or the draft at this time.

If you missed it

Is a DT Instincts/football IQ lacking in DA attacking defense?
That DT will be trapped blocked right out of the dome.

K Major · 07-15-2016, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Sheldon is a sit back and see what we does player IMO. Over hyped or not? either way he should be a solid player.

I don't think Sheldon is over hyped at all. Not even a little bit.

1 - Do we cut our loses with Byrd and throw money at a Muhammad Wilkerson? Don't count on it. Jets will want a small ransom for his services.

Issue is our own FA and is this the last year of Byrd. Can Vonn Bell replace Byrd or at the least can CB play step up enough to make Bell work as a FS? So safety is the a huge key.

Byrd? Last year? Quite possibly however I think he will be a very important piece in 2016 & get back to his play making ways. Our defense will be better (looking great on paper thus far), corner backs will be stronger, the D line is improved & the linebackers will be better.

With James L at the MIKE, I think guys will be aligned up & in position to make plays on a regular basis. IMO Byrd is still a play-maker. He will be better because our team defense will be much improved. As for Vonn .. he is fresh out of college & it will take time to transition. He is not at The Ohio State anymore but competition should be good.

I'm expecting big things from J Byrd this season.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2016, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

despite all the love for the DT moves, the saints will need a DT that can fill the NT role better. yep doubling down on speed and quickness at DT is only good if you can bull rush with regularity. I do not see that on the roster.

If the saints think they have the next Muhammad Wilkerson, a DT that is so well rounded that he can play anywhere up front on the roster they will be disappointed. More importantly a DT has to have great instincts and a very high football IQ to work in this scheme. If not they will be trapped blocked right out of the dome. In all honesty this is what DA is going to try to do with the players he has.

DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 90 - Nick Fairley, 93 - David Onyemata

Can Nick Fairley become the player he can be? I think he is his own worse enemy. Skill set is there but does he have the football IQ and instincts to handle this scheme? I say yes and blame lack of studying and too much living the high life. He become a self inflated fat cat after the draft. It all went to his head. Is he grounded and more importantly is he a player that shows up when contract time is right around the corner?

Sheldon is a sit back and see what we does player IMO. Over hyped or not? either way he should be a solid player.

Onyemata god only knows

Tyeler Davison and John Jenkins still have a lot to prove.

I am looking for Tyeler to over take Jenkins by seasons end if he can handle the mental part of the game. Once again DT need to be smart to make this scheme work. If not they will be trapped blocked right out of the dome.

John Jenkins time with saints might be over in 2017. improvement or need is his only hopes of staying.

So DT has plenty of questions to answer and plenty of players that are replaceable.

2017 returning players
DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata
NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison,

90 - Nick Fairley is a huge talented question mark

By season end we will feel a bit better about DT but that is about it

1 - Do we cut our loses with Byrd and throw money at a Muhammad Wilkerson?

Issue is our own FA and is this the last year of Byrd. Can Vonn Bell replace Byrd or at the least can CB play step up enough to make Bell work as a FS? So safety is the a huge key. David Onyemata is a wild card here.

2 - So do you roll the dice in the draft?

Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama - a fav
Chris Wormley, DE/DT, Michigan - watch list

Both have that same kind of skill set and size of a Wilkerson.

I really do not see a True NT solution out there in FA or the draft at this time.

If you missed it

Is a DT Instincts/football IQ lacking in DA attacking defense?
That DT will be trapped blocked right out of the dome.

Most of the football IQ stuff has been reduced by DA as we're going back to a one-gap attack system...

Rankins looks like a solid player, but will he have the same success week-in, week-out or will his numbers come in bunches against lesser opponents and be "trapped blocked" or flat-out blown out the holes by better players?

At the end of it all, see more of the feast or famine defense with a lot of stress on Laurinaitis and the linebackers while praying the secondary can bail out the defense on third and longs...

hagan714 · 07-17-2016, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Most of the football IQ stuff has been reduced by DA as we're going back to a one-gap attack system...

Rankins looks like a solid player, but will he have the same success week-in, week-out or will his numbers come in bunches against lesser opponents and be "trapped blocked" or flat-out blown out the holes by better players?

At the end of it all, see more of the feast or famine defense with a lot of stress on Laurinaitis and the linebackers while praying the secondary can bail out the defense on third and longs...

I fear a quick hitting run game at this point in time. if this is true then Laurinaitis will not be kept clean to make plays. The domino effect hits when Kenny is out of place on a play and leaving Byrd and Bell will asked to make a ton of tackles. that worries the hell out me. Open field enforcers is not exactly a strong suit of theirs.

If our FS are called upon to stop the run it will be a long season.

A true run stopping DT/NT needs to be found. That is why I have been beating the drum for years for a true NT. which brings me right back to my previous post.

Hoping and praying for the best.

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm expecting big things from J Byrd this season.

I am not so hopeful. Even if Byrd is healthy and plays all 18 games I still do not see a SS on the team that complements his skill sets. Actually they all take him out of his game. Then again I have yet to see the new guys so I am not completely in the dumps.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2016, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I fear a quick hitting run game at this point in time. if this is true then Laurinaitis will not be kept clean to make plays. The domino effect hits when Kenny is out of place on a play and leaving Byrd and Bell will asked to make a ton of tackles. that worries the hell out me. Open field enforcers is not exactly a strong suit of theirs.

If our FS are called upon to stop the run it will be a long season.

Could see some shoot and stunts whereby Rankins shoots a gap and Fairley or Jenkins or Jordan or other stunts behind as a cover - now that would be interesting...

Having Anthony's speed at the SAM and letting him read, react with his speed will definitely improve the exposure issues of the secondary in the run game...

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hagan714 · 07-17-2016, 09:51 PM

Stunts work well when a team respect your bull rushing skills. Bull rushing and run stuffing at DT at this point in time looks to be lacking. Stunting on a trap play is a death sentence.

Anthony at Sam? he too depends on the NT/DT play. you know the chain reaction down the DL.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2016, 09:56 PM

Wow, I'm much more optimistic about our front seven than I'm about our secondary, but PFF has other ideas - Saints Front Seven ranks 29th and the Secondary ranks 15th (guess they're really impressed with Del Breaux)...

07-14-2016, 01:43 PM	#1
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07-14-2016, 10:26 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Cooks, Boldin, Snead, Thomas and Player to be named? Plus the Tight Ends and ScatBacks - that would be potent... I like Boldin in a share with the rookie Thomas, if he's okay with the role...

07-15-2016, 04:09 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook despite all the love for the DT moves, the saints will need a DT that can fill the NT role better. yep doubling down on speed and quickness at DT is only good if you can bull rush with regularity. I do not see that on the roster. If the saints think they have the next Muhammad Wilkerson, a DT that is so well rounded that he can play anywhere up front on the roster they will be disappointed. More importantly a DT has to have great instincts and a very high football IQ to work in this scheme. If not they will be trapped blocked right out of the dome. In all honesty this is what DA is going to try to do with the players he has. DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 90 - Nick Fairley, 93 - David Onyemata Can Nick Fairley become the player he can be? I think he is his own worse enemy. Skill set is there but does he have the football IQ and instincts to handle this scheme? I say yes and blame lack of studying and too much living the high life. He become a self inflated fat cat after the draft. It all went to his head. Is he grounded and more importantly is he a player that shows up when contract time is right around the corner? Sheldon is a sit back and see what we does player IMO. Over hyped or not? either way he should be a solid player. Onyemata god only knows Tyeler Davison and John Jenkins still have a lot to prove. I am looking for Tyeler to over take Jenkins by seasons end if he can handle the mental part of the game. Once again DT need to be smart to make this scheme work. If not they will be trapped blocked right out of the dome. John Jenkins time with saints might be over in 2017. improvement or need is his only hopes of staying. So DT has plenty of questions to answer and plenty of players that are replaceable. 2017 returning players DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 90 - Nick Fairley is a huge talented question mark By season end we will feel a bit better about DT but that is about it 1 - Do we cut our loses with Byrd and throw money at a Muhammad Wilkerson? Issue is our own FA and is this the last year of Byrd. Can Vonn Bell replace Byrd or at the least can CB play step up enough to make Bell work as a FS? So safety is the a huge key. David Onyemata is a wild card here. 2 - So do you roll the dice in the draft? Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama - a fav Chris Wormley, DE/DT, Michigan - watch list Both have that same kind of skill set and size of a Wilkerson. I really do not see a True NT solution out there in FA or the draft at this time. If you missed it Is a DT Instincts/football IQ lacking in DA attacking defense? That DT will be trapped blocked right out of the dome. jeanpierre and MarchingOn like this.
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07-15-2016, 07:45 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,830 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by hagan714 Sheldon is a sit back and see what we does player IMO. Over hyped or not? either way he should be a solid player. I don't think Sheldon is over hyped at all. Not even a little bit. 1 - Do we cut our loses with Byrd and throw money at a Muhammad Wilkerson? Don't count on it. Jets will want a small ransom for his services. Issue is our own FA and is this the last year of Byrd. Can Vonn Bell replace Byrd or at the least can CB play step up enough to make Bell work as a FS? So safety is the a huge key. Byrd? Last year? Quite possibly however I think he will be a very important piece in 2016 & get back to his play making ways. Our defense will be better (looking great on paper thus far), corner backs will be stronger, the D line is improved & the linebackers will be better. With James L at the MIKE, I think guys will be aligned up & in position to make plays on a regular basis. IMO Byrd is still a play-maker. He will be better because our team defense will be much improved. As for Vonn .. he is fresh out of college & it will take time to transition. He is not at The Ohio State anymore but competition should be good. I'm expecting big things from J Byrd this season. hagan714 likes this.

07-17-2016, 02:39 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by hagan714 despite all the love for the DT moves, the saints will need a DT that can fill the NT role better. yep doubling down on speed and quickness at DT is only good if you can bull rush with regularity. I do not see that on the roster. If the saints think they have the next Muhammad Wilkerson, a DT that is so well rounded that he can play anywhere up front on the roster they will be disappointed. More importantly a DT has to have great instincts and a very high football IQ to work in this scheme. If not they will be trapped blocked right out of the dome. In all honesty this is what DA is going to try to do with the players he has. DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 90 - Nick Fairley, 93 - David Onyemata Can Nick Fairley become the player he can be? I think he is his own worse enemy. Skill set is there but does he have the football IQ and instincts to handle this scheme? I say yes and blame lack of studying and too much living the high life. He become a self inflated fat cat after the draft. It all went to his head. Is he grounded and more importantly is he a player that shows up when contract time is right around the corner? Sheldon is a sit back and see what we does player IMO. Over hyped or not? either way he should be a solid player. Onyemata god only knows Tyeler Davison and John Jenkins still have a lot to prove. I am looking for Tyeler to over take Jenkins by seasons end if he can handle the mental part of the game. Once again DT need to be smart to make this scheme work. If not they will be trapped blocked right out of the dome. John Jenkins time with saints might be over in 2017. improvement or need is his only hopes of staying. So DT has plenty of questions to answer and plenty of players that are replaceable. 2017 returning players DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 90 - Nick Fairley is a huge talented question mark By season end we will feel a bit better about DT but that is about it 1 - Do we cut our loses with Byrd and throw money at a Muhammad Wilkerson? Issue is our own FA and is this the last year of Byrd. Can Vonn Bell replace Byrd or at the least can CB play step up enough to make Bell work as a FS? So safety is the a huge key. David Onyemata is a wild card here. 2 - So do you roll the dice in the draft? Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama - a fav Chris Wormley, DE/DT, Michigan - watch list Both have that same kind of skill set and size of a Wilkerson. I really do not see a True NT solution out there in FA or the draft at this time. If you missed it Is a DT Instincts/football IQ lacking in DA attacking defense? That DT will be trapped blocked right out of the dome. Most of the football IQ stuff has been reduced by DA as we're going back to a one-gap attack system... Rankins looks like a solid player, but will he have the same success week-in, week-out or will his numbers come in bunches against lesser opponents and be "trapped blocked" or flat-out blown out the holes by better players? At the end of it all, see more of the feast or famine defense with a lot of stress on Laurinaitis and the linebackers while praying the secondary can bail out the defense on third and longs... Rugby Saint II likes this.
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07-17-2016, 09:30 PM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Most of the football IQ stuff has been reduced by DA as we're going back to a one-gap attack system... Rankins looks like a solid player, but will he have the same success week-in, week-out or will his numbers come in bunches against lesser opponents and be "trapped blocked" or flat-out blown out the holes by better players? At the end of it all, see more of the feast or famine defense with a lot of stress on Laurinaitis and the linebackers while praying the secondary can bail out the defense on third and longs... I fear a quick hitting run game at this point in time. if this is true then Laurinaitis will not be kept clean to make plays. The domino effect hits when Kenny is out of place on a play and leaving Byrd and Bell will asked to make a ton of tackles. that worries the hell out me. Open field enforcers is not exactly a strong suit of theirs. If our FS are called upon to stop the run it will be a long season. A true run stopping DT/NT needs to be found. That is why I have been beating the drum for years for a true NT. which brings me right back to my previous post. Hoping and praying for the best. Originally Posted by K Major I'm expecting big things from J Byrd this season. I am not so hopeful. Even if Byrd is healthy and plays all 18 games I still do not see a SS on the team that complements his skill sets. Actually they all take him out of his game. Then again I have yet to see the new guys so I am not completely in the dumps.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 07-17-2016 at 09:42 PM..

07-17-2016, 09:35 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by hagan714 I fear a quick hitting run game at this point in time. if this is true then Laurinaitis will not be kept clean to make plays. The domino effect hits when Kenny is out of place on a play and leaving Byrd and Bell will asked to make a ton of tackles. that worries the hell out me. Open field enforcers is not exactly a strong suit of theirs. If our FS are called upon to stop the run it will be a long season. Could see some shoot and stunts whereby Rankins shoots a gap and Fairley or Jenkins or Jordan or other stunts behind as a cover - now that would be interesting... Having Anthony's speed at the SAM and letting him read, react with his speed will definitely improve the exposure issues of the secondary in the run game...

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07-17-2016, 09:51 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Stunts work well when a team respect your bull rushing skills. Bull rushing and run stuffing at DT at this point in time looks to be lacking. Stunting on a trap play is a death sentence. Anthony at Sam? he too depends on the NT/DT play. you know the chain reaction down the DL. MarchingOn likes this.

07-17-2016, 09:56 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Wow, I'm much more optimistic about our front seven than I'm about our secondary, but PFF has other ideas - Saints Front Seven ranks 29th and the Secondary ranks 15th (guess they're really impressed with Del Breaux)... Twitter

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