Trade Down at 12?
 

My mock up to 12
1 Tennessee Titans – OT Laremy Tunsil, Ole Miss
2 Cleveland Browns – QB Jared Goff, California
3 San Diego Chargers – DE Joey Bosa, Ohio State
4 Dallas Cowboys – OLB Myles Jack,
5 Jacksonville Jaguars – OT Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame
6 Baltimore Ravens – CB Jalen Ramsey, Florida State
7 San Francisco 49ers – DE DeForest Buckner
8 Miami Dolphins – CB Vernon Hargreaves III
9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers – DE Shaq Lawson
10 New York Giants – WR Laquon Treadwell
11 Chicago Bears – DT A’Shawn Robinson

There is a good chance the Saints at 12 will have the remainder 3 out 4 top QBs on the board. Looks like it might be a prime spot with the Eagles picking at 13 to get more than a few calls to move up

Paxton Lynch - maybe a solid starter by mid year. Solid upside
Connor Cook - can step in and play right away.
Carson Wentz - late draft day hype with a skill set that ... god only knows

13 Philadelphia Eagles

Eagles seem non committal to Sam Bradford at this point in time.
Swap 12 for R1-13 and R4-110

15 La Rams

The closest team that QB is keeping them from the promise land? Rams have two seconds so that opens a bunch of options. But for simplicity sake

12 for R1-15 and R3-76

22 Houston Texans

Second closest team that QB is keeping them from the promise land?

12 for R1-22, R2-52, R4-116

Would you pull the trigger?

OR

What if either team called up said keep your pick and send us Drew and you can have our draft. (Pull a Ditka)

**Foot note i keep this simple no bonus points for moving out of the top 20 and all that stuff.

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Who is Ditka coaching?

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I think the Bears go LB which will free up

A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama

I don't see how you pass on this guy.

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I dunno. As others have mentioned, this is a very deep year for DT. Mike Mayock recently said as many as 12 could carry a first round grade. I would rather see them go DE, LB or G in the first and then pick up a DT in the second or third.

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Every time I see Conner Cook's name pop up, I shake my head. The guy just isn't that good... Sorry. Decent college QB, but not NFL material by any measure that I have seen.

As for the Saints, I still don't have a consensus in my own mind about who I'd like them to take. I only know that I would like a true lane clogging DT (something we haven't had since Norman Hand) a mauling OG and an OLB who can rush the passer AND cover. I doubt all three needs will be addressed, but 2 out of 3 would be great. This draft looks deep with solid talent, but lacks guys who I'd say "we HAVE to get him". Very few of those... I'm sure someone will surprise us though, and I hope we get whoever that is.

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Absolutely.

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We have to rebuild the D. We do anything with that pick other than this guy then everyone should be looking for a new job!!!

You build the D from the inside out. You get a this guy and then we start working out from there.

I think the lesson we can take from the ones who have been winning the SB's is DEFENSE!!! Rebuild this damn D FINALLY and then we can start adding to the O. QB and G/T next season for sure but right now everything we go goes to D.

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I feel you and I felt the same way but we need a LB'er badly and if the draft really is that deep at DT then we better grab a guy who can stop the TE.

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I still got to go G in the first, fixes the O's passing and run game, grab a tough TE in the late 4th. I'm all for trading down a few spots for more picks a trade for a 1st and 2nd would go a long way. I totally agree that the D needs to start upfront in the trenches and agree that a bull needs to lead the charge. NT 2nd round, NT 3rd round ( might as well do it right), TE 4th round, I'm hoping we get a really good OLB in FA( couple good ones will be FA) 5th OT for depth , 6th WR. 7th K I'm tied of xtra points and field goals being an issue at times, needs to have a big leg and accurite as hell.

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I wrote a thread about this earlier . The Rams and Texas might have to move ahead of the Eagles to get a QB they / value . IMHO I would move back to #15 for a third rd pick. Players could also be trade bait as the Rams are stacked on D. The Texans would have to pony up quite a bit more like a 2 and a three.
There's a lot of talent available in the 2nd rd . We also have lots of spots to fill and draft picks are salary cap helpful. After FA we will be able to determine more about draft needs. The Rams scenario is much more palatable. However,there will be lots of players in the second rd that could improve our talent level. Things will get very interesting after the combine . Can't wait. Hope springs eternal for the ever suffering Saints fan.

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I like the idea of moving in to the high teens/early 20s.

There is a good amount of talent at the DT and DE positions.

If we can't land Robinson or Billings at 12 then we should move back.

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QUESTION: Receiving end of a Ditka for Drew

I'm surprised that more people don't want to trade Ditka for Drew. :confused:
I'd trade Ditka for Drew any day.

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No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

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Maybe being on the receiving end of a Ditka scares too many people.
Houston trading their entire draft for Drew is just to mind boggling.

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Don't know on this one ... it will come down to what the Saints do in Free Agency but from what I read on JS, this guy is an immediate impact player. How is the knee rehab coming along? If you read some of Nick Underhill scouting reports, he points how badly we were abused when Ellerbe was out. I mentioned this before on the board but if someone told me that we could have Captain America (Luke Kiechly) but he would have to sit a year ... I could care less.

In saying all that, I still want a DE like Robinson at #12 :p.

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Saints haven't had speed at Linebacker since Vilma left. Smith would be 3/4 of Dome Patrol V 2.0, it looks like they are trying to put together now

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Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee.

If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016.

As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker.

So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on.

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Drafting for the future is probably the smart move, but the clock is ticking on Drew, he won't play forever.

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We're talking about a possible franchise QB, if the Rams want a QB that bad, I'd force them to part with a 2nd rounder or possibly Alec Ogletree.

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Alec Ogletree? boy that brings up old draft wounds But cap hit?

I would settle for two of the better backups, WLB Mark Barron and CB Trumaine Johnson. Two solid up and coming young pups that would be an upgrade and cap friendly for at least the next 4 years.

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Trading down would be a good idea this year. We have a lot of positions that need filling and we need as many picks as we can to do it. We lack cap space and the draft is the best place to fix our problems.

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If we can replicate last years draft with a hit on ALL draft picks then I would be willing to trade down and get an additional early round pick. Ireland seems to have the eye for defense that Payton has for offense.

If we can nail two front seven picks in the draft we can compete with anyone if we stay healthy. We aren't as far away as some people think. If we had just fielded our starters throughout the year we'd have a winning record and possibly made a little run in the playoffs. We have holes but some of our depth will step into a starting role.(think of Snead last year)
The schedule looks tougher than last year but so does our team.:bng:

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I may question the overall talent level in top ten and some of the hype for a few in the top twenty.

But from that point on it has a nice slow decline all the way through day two. I really like this draft all the way through the 4th.

Day three has more than a few really interesting risk picks.

I am still a strong believer to build a team you gotta get player that stick on the club in day 2. That is how the Pats always seem to have little cap issues. mid round picks that step up and play when players are lost to FA because they want more than the wants to pay the bench is deep enough to absorb the lose.

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Have some pre-negotitated trades on Ready 5 so as to move back and pick up a R2 or R3 pick and select a big defensive end/tackle like Jarran Reed later in the first...

But wouldn't pull the trigger right away as a Top 5 talent almost always falls...

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Who is probably going to be red-shirted this season? No thanks. There are plenty of good LB in this draft. Cravens for example and we can probably get him in the 2nd round.

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Can anyone guess the last time we traded down with our 1st round pick?

Hint... Rhymes with Nero!

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History says that we have done considerably better with late picks than early ones
I'd much rather see a late first BPA than a costly move for unproven talent.

FA and later round gems are our forte- Too many Usama Youngs, Cie Grants, SJBs, Chip Vaughns, etc

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Oh yes, I remember that guy! Absolute Zero, he was a great QB/WR/LB/DE/DT/TE/PK/P but didn't pan out. Turned out he wasn't A BEAST, had no AIR IN THE TIRES and NOTHING IN THE TANK, would't play ON THE CHEAP for the HOMETOWN DISCOUNT and didn't TRUST IN SPAGS or MICKEY!! A bitter disappointment!!

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I think we've kinda sucked with the late rounders too.

Who was the last late round pick that turned out to be great?

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a guresome injury didn't stop Willis McGahee from being picked in the first. Look when it comes to Smith, he's the top LB in the draft and I've heard he compares to Patrick Willis and Luke Kechley BUT yeah let's pass on him because he will miss one season. I'd take one season on IR for 10-15 years of watching a dominate player on defense

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I am not sure about Smith. If there is never damage that is a huge red flag. If so the odds of him coming back 100% are next to zero. This kid will fall through the floor if the medical evals hold up and there is major nerve damage. I am talking possible day 3 flyer to UDFA stuff here.

Trade down and stuff a later round pick in your pocket to use on him would be not crazy.

Question now appears to be HOW BAD is the nerve damage? Doctors have gotten really good at a lot of thing but nerve repair and evaluational in not one of them. He is going to have opinions all of the place as to how bad the damage is. Doctors just still do not know enough about nerves in general and repair of them. It is always a wait and see what we got when all is said and done.

His future is in the hands of the medical evals. do not feel to bad for the kid, I heard if he drops out of round 1 his 5 million dollar insurance policy kicks in. smart kid

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Saints won't gamble on Jaylon Smith @ #12. Hoping for a speedy recovery.

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Hearing an interview with him made me like this kid even more, seemed up beat and not discouraged by the rehab process. He just oozed Saints type of player, smart and team first.

He was smart to take out the insurance policy but I got a feeling some team in the first will draft him

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Depends on your definition of great too: Colston, Morestead

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I can easily see us passing on him. He has no pass rush ability. We need a pass rusher. Our DT are young and can play. We need someone who can at least scare opposing O-Line's other than Cam Jordan. Robinson doesn't do that.

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We have 1 pass rushing OLB in Kikaha, but we aren't using him properly. To best use our talent we need to run a 3-4. Kikaha is wasted n a 4-3 Defense.

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I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round.

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Cameron Jordan, DE from California. Drafted in 2011.

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Some analyst have JS dropping out of the 2nd rd, possibly early 3rd (similar to RB Marcus Lattimore).

Frankly I can't see it but if he can heal back to 100%, he is going to improve someones defense, quick, fast and in a hurry.