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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal Clearly. As evidenced by the numerous "brilliant" moves they've been making. I love when people just say "they know more than us". Just because they have a job in something that we aren't doing, that does ...

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Old 02-19-2016, 11:59 AM   #1
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Re: Looks like Spiller will be back

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Clearly. As evidenced by the numerous "brilliant" moves they've been making. I love when people just say "they know more than us". Just because they have a job in something that we aren't doing, that does not make them smart. Evaluating talent does not take a genius. It takes having eyes. I'd love to see Spiller work out, personally, and have not given up on him. But just saying they know better than us, isn't adding anything to the thread.
The fact is that they do know FAR and away more than any of us. We do not have access to practices, film, medical records, financial details, personal conversations, etc. While as you pointed out, all we have is our eyes watching limited play and reading tripe from writers that know little more than us. Opinions are fine, but any implication that they don't know what they are doing is ridiculous.
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Old 02-19-2016, 12:43 PM   #2
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The fact is that they do know FAR and away more than any of us. We do not have access to practices, film, medical records, financial details, personal conversations, etc. While as you pointed out, all we have is our eyes watching limited play and reading tripe from writers that know little more than us. Opinions are fine, but any implication that they don't know what they are doing is ridiculous.
I don't know if you've noticed, but it's the year 2016 now. There isn't much that ISN'T videotaped for us to see. But why go on youtube and watch video when you can watch all of the live telecasts that are available to us in this age? So you're telling me that what happens in practice, that I might not see, is completely different from what is happening on the field?

You seem hell bent on convincing yourself that we're all a bunch of morons, as fans. Do you get a kick out of someone telling you you're dumb or something? This is not rocket science, it's football. Who cares that they have medical records and we don't? Did they not have medical records of Jairus Byrd before giving him over 50 million dollars?

You're not helping your case with that one. You can have access to everything the world can give you, and it makes no difference if you don't know what to do with it. I'm calling out Mickey Loomis, as I simply think he's a lackluster GM. People get fired in this business all the time. So unless you have a better defense for him other than saying he's paid to do it, and we're not, then I will stand by my statements.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 02-19-2016, 07:41 PM   #3
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I don't know if you've noticed, but it's the year 2016 now. There isn't much that ISN'T videotaped for us to see. But why go on youtube and watch video when you can watch all of the live telecasts that are available to us in this age? So you're telling me that what happens in practice, that I might not see, is completely different from what is happening on the field?

You seem hell bent on convincing yourself that we're all a bunch of morons, as fans. Do you get a kick out of someone telling you you're dumb or something? This is not rocket science, it's football. Who cares that they have medical records and we don't? Did they not have medical records of Jairus Byrd before giving him over 50 million dollars?

You're not helping your case with that one. You can have access to everything the world can give you, and it makes no difference if you don't know what to do with it. I'm calling out Mickey Loomis, as I simply think he's a lackluster GM. People get fired in this business all the time. So unless you have a better defense for him other than saying he's paid to do it, and we're not, then I will stand by my statements.
So. You are telling me that you have access to all video from the team resources?

YouTube? Get real. Every practice snap is not available on youtube. That is total bull****. And, yes, what happens in practice has little to no relevance to what happens in game play. There are far too many factors that cannot be taken into consideration. Ten other players can greatly affect the performance of the eleventh in an uncontrolled environment.

And, no, I am not hell bent on proving that most fans are morons. We simply do not have the resources to attempt informed analysis. No, it is not rocket science. But it is not so very far removed with respect to experience and training. Without the inside information, or at least the professional discipline closely related, it is foolish to think one would have anywhere near the insight to analyse the intricacies of the business.

Loomis does not need my defense. He is respected throughout the league by his expertise.

On that note, please continue to share your opinions. Just understand that to you and you alone, or Joe Shmoe alone in his case, should be accepted as more than background noise at this point of the NFL schedule.
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:15 PM   #4
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So. You are telling me that you have access to all video from the team resources?

YouTube? Get real. Every practice snap is not available on youtube. That is total bull****. And, yes, what happens in practice has little to no relevance to what happens in game play. There are far too many factors that cannot be taken into consideration. Ten other players can greatly affect the performance of the eleventh in an uncontrolled environment.

And, no, I am not hell bent on proving that most fans are morons. We simply do not have the resources to attempt informed analysis. No, it is not rocket science. But it is not so very far removed with respect to experience and training. Without the inside information, or at least the professional discipline closely related, it is foolish to think one would have anywhere near the insight to analyse the intricacies of the business.

Loomis does not need my defense. He is respected throughout the league by his expertise.

On that note, please continue to share your opinions. Just understand that to you and you alone, or Joe Shmoe alone in his case, should be accepted as more than background noise at this point of the NFL schedule.
You aren't even trying at this point. I, at no point, said every practice snap was available on youtube. I only briefly mentioned practice as being the one thing I "might not see". And I mentioned youtube sarcastically, as your favorite thing to say is "they have access to all the game film". The point was that you don't need to look it up. All the games are on TV. I can see it live. Yes, I have access to any film I want, if I want it.

What, do you think the film they have will look different because they can stop it and draw pictures in the middle of it? Be real, man.

I don't know all of the details that go on, and I don't claim to. I'm not in on the meetings. Similarly, I don't sit in on the governor's meetings, yet I can tell you that his idea of cutting the LSU football program because of the state deficit is the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time. My point here is very simple. Just because I don't know all the details, doesn't mean that I can't see the difference between a good GM, an average GM, and a bad GM.

You say Loomis is respected throughout the league for his expertise. Who told you that? Because you don't hear his counterparts publicly bashing him (because that's so common, right), you assume that everyone respects him?

You're all caught up in the "intricacies", as if we are debating the inner workings of a computer hard-drive. We see the same numbers you do. Yet what we read is all "unreliable", but you apparently have the goods.

Right.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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You aren't even trying at this point. I, at no point, said every practice snap was available on youtube. I only briefly mentioned practice as being the one thing I "might not see". And I mentioned youtube sarcastically, as your favorite thing to say is "they have access to all the game film". The point was that you don't need to look it up. All the games are on TV. I can see it live. Yes, I have access to any film I want, if I want it.

What, do you think the film they have will look different because they can stop it and draw pictures in the middle of it? Be real, man.

I don't know all of the details that go on, and I don't claim to. I'm not in on the meetings. Similarly, I don't sit in on the governor's meetings, yet I can tell you that his idea of cutting the LSU football program because of the state deficit is the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time. My point here is very simple. Just because I don't know all the details, doesn't mean that I can't see the difference between a good GM, an average GM, and a bad GM.

You say Loomis is respected throughout the league for his expertise. Who told you that? Because you don't hear his counterparts publicly bashing him (because that's so common, right), you assume that everyone respects him?

You're all caught up in the "intricacies", as if we are debating the inner workings of a computer hard-drive. We see the same numbers you do. Yet what we read is all "unreliable", but you apparently have the goods.

Right.
No. I am saying that numbers mean more to an individual that is trained to understand the intricacies involved. No, we are not discussing a computer. We are discussing accounting and finance which involves a different, yet comparable degree of insight as that of computer science.

As an aside, which I am quite sure will piss you off, I also have 25 years experience as a computer systems analyst.

I guess you can say I do have a few "goods".

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Old 02-20-2016, 07:50 AM   #6
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No. I am saying that numbers mean more to an individual that is trained to understand the intricacies involved. No, we are not discussing a computer. We are discussing accounting and finance which involves a different, yet comparable degree of insight as that of computer science.

As an aside, which I am quite sure will piss you off, I also have 25 years experience as a computer systems analyst.

I guess you can say I do have a few "goods".

I'm afraid that does not give you any "goods". First off, finances are most certainly NOT near as complicated as figuring out a computer hard drive. I don't say this to be mean spirited, but I don't much care if you have a single day of experience as a computer analyst, I'm talking about the actual building of the system. It's one thing to look at something with an instruction manual and figure out if everything is working right. It's a whole different thing to build it. So I don't know what you think you're proving to me by plugging your experience. So no, that doesn't anger me.

Back to why this doesn't give you "the goods". As the computer thing was clearly an analogy, you don't have any inside knowledge on what goes on in the NFL any more than I do. You continue to contend that you know something that I, or we as fans, don't. It's common knowledge that this front office has not operated very wisely in years. I'm not having to guess, I can SEE it. You both underestimate my intelligence, and overestimate, or over state, the degree of difficulty in constructing player contracts.

Your whole argument is basically trying to make me believe that, no matter how bad something might look to me, Loomis had a plan for that. I guess that's why they lead the world in dead money. Because he was "totally" prepared for all the failures. Not everything is his fault. I don't expect him to see the future with Galette doing what he did to get cut. But he's just one of the many, many huge contracts that are weighing this team down.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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