Looks like Spiller will be back

burningmetal · 02-19-2016, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The fact is that they do know FAR and away more than any of us. We do not have access to practices, film, medical records, financial details, personal conversations, etc. While as you pointed out, all we have is our eyes watching limited play and reading tripe from writers that know little more than us. Opinions are fine, but any implication that they don't know what they are doing is ridiculous.

I don't know if you've noticed, but it's the year 2016 now. There isn't much that ISN'T videotaped for us to see. But why go on youtube and watch video when you can watch all of the live telecasts that are available to us in this age? So you're telling me that what happens in practice, that I might not see, is completely different from what is happening on the field?

You seem hell bent on convincing yourself that we're all a bunch of morons, as fans. Do you get a kick out of someone telling you you're dumb or something? This is not rocket science, it's football. Who cares that they have medical records and we don't? Did they not have medical records of Jairus Byrd before giving him over 50 million dollars?

You're not helping your case with that one. You can have access to everything the world can give you, and it makes no difference if you don't know what to do with it. I'm calling out Mickey Loomis, as I simply think he's a lackluster GM. People get fired in this business all the time. So unless you have a better defense for him other than saying he's paid to do it, and we're not, then I will stand by my statements.

SaintsBro · 02-19-2016, 01:47 PM

Spiller last year, he basically ended up being almost the same exact performance stats as Pierre Thomas' last year contributing as a Saint, but for waaaaay more money than PT ever cost.

burningmetal · 02-19-2016, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Consider source of the rumblings at the end of the season. They are paid to produce words. Fact or insight is not a requirement.

I wasn't defending the source. Simply pointing out the fact that it was reported. Yes, there are false reports out there, but there are also legitimate reports. And until it is proven as nothing more than a rumor, we can only speculate. Now we're being told he's probably staying. Do you have any proof that this information is reliable?

Geez, why do we have voices or fingers to type with, if we're all dumb, and all reporters are liars. I guess there's no point in being a fan. We know nothing, because we ARE nothing... Or am I reading too much into your words?

voodooido · 02-19-2016, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

Lots of people here think he's a bust and that he should be released. It's a topic worthy of discussion. I never understand why people question threads on a forum.

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No, this is not a worthy thread. We don't need to cut someone that will cost us another 4 million in dead money! It would only free up roughy 500K. Who the crap u gunna get with his skill set for 500K? Ill tell you, NO ONE.

WillSaints81 · 02-19-2016, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Special report: Inside look at how Saints' '3-level' passing concept powers NFL's most prolific attack | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Thought this was worth sharing.

The screen game would have worked two years ago when we didn't have Sproles or Spiller and played a schedule that struggled against it. Next year we play too many tough run defenses that can stop the screen game as well. I know SP likes to have that as part of his playcalling. But the screen game has been hurting us too often. It's a wonder that our offense only clicked all game when we didn't play tough run defenses but some people will drink the koolaid of the last month instead of breaking down how things will be. We need to be passing the ball or handing it off. None of this other cute stuff.

I didn't see a healthy Spiller in 2012 have any success against the seahawks and 49ers. He was just okay against the rams also. I also didn't see him do much anything against Oakland and San Diego two years ago.

WillSaints81 · 02-19-2016, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I wasn't defending the source. Simply pointing out the fact that it was reported. Yes, there are false reports out there, but there are also legitimate reports. And until it is proven as nothing more than a rumor, we can only speculate. Now we're being told he's probably staying. Do you have any proof that this information is reliable?

Geez, why do we have voices or fingers to type with, if we're all dumb, and all reporters are liars. I guess there's no point in being a fan. We know nothing, because we ARE nothing... Or am I reading too much into your words?

This is the stuff that just aggravates me. We have to hope for way too much. But I'm saying Spiller is not gonna burn KC, Seattle, Arizona, SF, Denver, Detroit on 10 touches a game. I also have felt Ingram doesn't get enough carries which leads to him always getting hurt. And we don't need to run more than we have. We just need Ingram to get those extra carries that were going to KRob and Spiller. Ingram cannot be a top ten back if he doesn't get 20-25 carries a game.

AsylumGuido · 02-19-2016, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I don't know if you've noticed, but it's the year 2016 now. There isn't much that ISN'T videotaped for us to see. But why go on youtube and watch video when you can watch all of the live telecasts that are available to us in this age? So you're telling me that what happens in practice, that I might not see, is completely different from what is happening on the field?

You seem hell bent on convincing yourself that we're all a bunch of morons, as fans. Do you get a kick out of someone telling you you're dumb or something? This is not rocket science, it's football. Who cares that they have medical records and we don't? Did they not have medical records of Jairus Byrd before giving him over 50 million dollars?

You're not helping your case with that one. You can have access to everything the world can give you, and it makes no difference if you don't know what to do with it. I'm calling out Mickey Loomis, as I simply think he's a lackluster GM. People get fired in this business all the time. So unless you have a better defense for him other than saying he's paid to do it, and we're not, then I will stand by my statements.

So. You are telling me that you have access to all video from the team resources?

YouTube? Get real. Every practice snap is not available on youtube. That is total bull****. And, yes, what happens in practice has little to no relevance to what happens in game play. There are far too many factors that cannot be taken into consideration. Ten other players can greatly affect the performance of the eleventh in an uncontrolled environment.

And, no, I am not hell bent on proving that most fans are morons. We simply do not have the resources to attempt informed analysis. No, it is not rocket science. But it is not so very far removed with respect to experience and training. Without the inside information, or at least the professional discipline closely related, it is foolish to think one would have anywhere near the insight to analyse the intricacies of the business.

Loomis does not need my defense. He is respected throughout the league by his expertise.

On that note, please continue to share your opinions. Just understand that to you and you alone, or Joe Shmoe alone in his case, should be accepted as more than background noise at this point of the NFL schedule.

AsylumGuido · 02-19-2016, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I wasn't defending the source. Simply pointing out the fact that it was reported. Yes, there are false reports out there, but there are also legitimate reports. And until it is proven as nothing more than a rumor, we can only speculate. Now we're being told he's probably staying. Do you have any proof that this information is reliable?

Geez, why do we have voices or fingers to type with, if we're all dumb, and all reporters are liars. I guess there's no point in being a fan. We know nothing, because we ARE nothing... Or am I reading too much into your words?

No. I think you nailed it on the head. As fans we are nothing. No "information" is reliable unless it is stamped as an official NFL transaction.

Yes, we have fingers, and eyes, and voices, and irrational thoughts. I spent ten years working in the sports media arena. In this case I know what I am talking about. There are as more idiots clacking away at computer keys and pontificating on the air percentage wise as there are fans reading their sewage.

burningmetal · 02-19-2016, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So. You are telling me that you have access to all video from the team resources?

YouTube? Get real. Every practice snap is not available on youtube. That is total bull****. And, yes, what happens in practice has little to no relevance to what happens in game play. There are far too many factors that cannot be taken into consideration. Ten other players can greatly affect the performance of the eleventh in an uncontrolled environment.

And, no, I am not hell bent on proving that most fans are morons. We simply do not have the resources to attempt informed analysis. No, it is not rocket science. But it is not so very far removed with respect to experience and training. Without the inside information, or at least the professional discipline closely related, it is foolish to think one would have anywhere near the insight to analyse the intricacies of the business.

Loomis does not need my defense. He is respected throughout the league by his expertise.

On that note, please continue to share your opinions. Just understand that to you and you alone, or Joe Shmoe alone in his case, should be accepted as more than background noise at this point of the NFL schedule.

You aren't even trying at this point. I, at no point, said every practice snap was available on youtube. I only briefly mentioned practice as being the one thing I "might not see". And I mentioned youtube sarcastically, as your favorite thing to say is "they have access to all the game film". The point was that you don't need to look it up. All the games are on TV. I can see it live. Yes, I have access to any film I want, if I want it.

What, do you think the film they have will look different because they can stop it and draw pictures in the middle of it? Be real, man.

I don't know all of the details that go on, and I don't claim to. I'm not in on the meetings. Similarly, I don't sit in on the governor's meetings, yet I can tell you that his idea of cutting the LSU football program because of the state deficit is the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time. My point here is very simple. Just because I don't know all the details, doesn't mean that I can't see the difference between a good GM, an average GM, and a bad GM.

You say Loomis is respected throughout the league for his expertise. Who told you that? Because you don't hear his counterparts publicly bashing him (because that's so common, right), you assume that everyone respects him?

You're all caught up in the "intricacies", as if we are debating the inner workings of a computer hard-drive. We see the same numbers you do. Yet what we read is all "unreliable", but you apparently have the goods.

Right.

burningmetal · 02-19-2016, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. I think you nailed it on the head. As fans we are nothing. No "information" is reliable unless it is stamped as an official NFL transaction.

Yes, we have fingers, and eyes, and voices, and irrational thoughts. I spent ten years working in the sports media arena. In this case I know what I am talking about. There are as more idiots clacking away at computer keys and pontificating on the air percentage wise as there are fans reading their sewage.

And you are assuming that all of us are in that same "percentage". That's your problem. You think YOU are the enlightened one. I'm all for a good argument, here and there, but what you do is beyond that. You come in here like a seagull, crapping all over everyone's head, and just trying your best to irritate people with your pretentious claims of superiority. "I spent ten years working in the sports media arena"... So what? I have worked zero years in any media, and I can tell you exactly what you told me. What does that have to do with calling out a GM for over paying players, and pushing back cap problems?

You've given nothing of any substance. You continue to say that we know nothing, but you can't tell me why I'm wrong. Only that (in your opinion) he is respected, and that we don't know the intricacies.

02-19-2016, 01:43 PM	#21
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The fact is that they do know FAR and away more than any of us. We do not have access to practices, film, medical records, financial details, personal conversations, etc. While as you pointed out, all we have is our eyes watching limited play and reading tripe from writers that know little more than us. Opinions are fine, but any implication that they don't know what they are doing is ridiculous. I don't know if you've noticed, but it's the year 2016 now. There isn't much that ISN'T videotaped for us to see. But why go on youtube and watch video when you can watch all of the live telecasts that are available to us in this age? So you're telling me that what happens in practice, that I might not see, is completely different from what is happening on the field? You seem hell bent on convincing yourself that we're all a bunch of morons, as fans. Do you get a kick out of someone telling you you're dumb or something? This is not rocket science, it's football. Who cares that they have medical records and we don't? Did they not have medical records of Jairus Byrd before giving him over 50 million dollars? You're not helping your case with that one. You can have access to everything the world can give you, and it makes no difference if you don't know what to do with it. I'm calling out Mickey Loomis, as I simply think he's a lackluster GM. People get fired in this business all the time. So unless you have a better defense for him other than saying he's paid to do it, and we're not, then I will stand by my statements.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-19-2016, 01:47 PM	#22
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Spiller last year, he basically ended up being almost the same exact performance stats as Pierre Thomas' last year contributing as a Saint, but for waaaaay more money than PT ever cost.

02-19-2016, 01:51 PM	#23
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Consider source of the rumblings at the end of the season. They are paid to produce words. Fact or insight is not a requirement. I wasn't defending the source. Simply pointing out the fact that it was reported. Yes, there are false reports out there, but there are also legitimate reports. And until it is proven as nothing more than a rumor, we can only speculate. Now we're being told he's probably staying. Do you have any proof that this information is reliable? Geez, why do we have voices or fingers to type with, if we're all dumb, and all reporters are liars. I guess there's no point in being a fan. We know nothing, because we ARE nothing... Or am I reading too much into your words?
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-19-2016, 05:00 PM	#24
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by 44Champs Lots of people here think he's a bust and that he should be released. It's a topic worthy of discussion. I never understand why people question threads on a forum. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk No, this is not a worthy thread. We don't need to cut someone that will cost us another 4 million in dead money! It would only free up roughy 500K. Who the crap u gunna get with his skill set for 500K? Ill tell you, NO ONE.
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02-19-2016, 07:23 PM	#25
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by K Major Special report: Inside look at how Saints' '3-level' passing concept powers NFL's most prolific attack \| The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana Thought this was worth sharing. The screen game would have worked two years ago when we didn't have Sproles or Spiller and played a schedule that struggled against it. Next year we play too many tough run defenses that can stop the screen game as well. I know SP likes to have that as part of his playcalling. But the screen game has been hurting us too often. It's a wonder that our offense only clicked all game when we didn't play tough run defenses but some people will drink the koolaid of the last month instead of breaking down how things will be. We need to be passing the ball or handing it off. None of this other cute stuff. I didn't see a healthy Spiller in 2012 have any success against the seahawks and 49ers. He was just okay against the rams also. I also didn't see him do much anything against Oakland and San Diego two years ago.

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02-19-2016, 07:35 PM	#26
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by burningmetal I wasn't defending the source. Simply pointing out the fact that it was reported. Yes, there are false reports out there, but there are also legitimate reports. And until it is proven as nothing more than a rumor, we can only speculate. Now we're being told he's probably staying. Do you have any proof that this information is reliable? Geez, why do we have voices or fingers to type with, if we're all dumb, and all reporters are liars. I guess there's no point in being a fan. We know nothing, because we ARE nothing... Or am I reading too much into your words? This is the stuff that just aggravates me. We have to hope for way too much. But I'm saying Spiller is not gonna burn KC, Seattle, Arizona, SF, Denver, Detroit on 10 touches a game. I also have felt Ingram doesn't get enough carries which leads to him always getting hurt. And we don't need to run more than we have. We just need Ingram to get those extra carries that were going to KRob and Spiller. Ingram cannot be a top ten back if he doesn't get 20-25 carries a game.

02-19-2016, 08:41 PM	#27
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't know if you've noticed, but it's the year 2016 now. There isn't much that ISN'T videotaped for us to see. But why go on youtube and watch video when you can watch all of the live telecasts that are available to us in this age? So you're telling me that what happens in practice, that I might not see, is completely different from what is happening on the field? You seem hell bent on convincing yourself that we're all a bunch of morons, as fans. Do you get a kick out of someone telling you you're dumb or something? This is not rocket science, it's football. Who cares that they have medical records and we don't? Did they not have medical records of Jairus Byrd before giving him over 50 million dollars? You're not helping your case with that one. You can have access to everything the world can give you, and it makes no difference if you don't know what to do with it. I'm calling out Mickey Loomis, as I simply think he's a lackluster GM. People get fired in this business all the time. So unless you have a better defense for him other than saying he's paid to do it, and we're not, then I will stand by my statements. So. You are telling me that you have access to all video from the team resources? YouTube? Get real. Every practice snap is not available on youtube. That is total bull****. And, yes, what happens in practice has little to no relevance to what happens in game play. There are far too many factors that cannot be taken into consideration. Ten other players can greatly affect the performance of the eleventh in an uncontrolled environment. And, no, I am not hell bent on proving that most fans are morons. We simply do not have the resources to attempt informed analysis. No, it is not rocket science. But it is not so very far removed with respect to experience and training. Without the inside information, or at least the professional discipline closely related, it is foolish to think one would have anywhere near the insight to analyse the intricacies of the business. Loomis does not need my defense. He is respected throughout the league by his expertise. On that note, please continue to share your opinions. Just understand that to you and you alone, or Joe Shmoe alone in his case, should be accepted as more than background noise at this point of the NFL schedule.

02-19-2016, 08:48 PM	#28
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by burningmetal I wasn't defending the source. Simply pointing out the fact that it was reported. Yes, there are false reports out there, but there are also legitimate reports. And until it is proven as nothing more than a rumor, we can only speculate. Now we're being told he's probably staying. Do you have any proof that this information is reliable? Geez, why do we have voices or fingers to type with, if we're all dumb, and all reporters are liars. I guess there's no point in being a fan. We know nothing, because we ARE nothing... Or am I reading too much into your words? No. I think you nailed it on the head. As fans we are nothing. No "information" is reliable unless it is stamped as an official NFL transaction. Yes, we have fingers, and eyes, and voices, and irrational thoughts. I spent ten years working in the sports media arena. In this case I know what I am talking about. There are as more idiots clacking away at computer keys and pontificating on the air percentage wise as there are fans reading their sewage.

02-19-2016, 09:15 PM	#29
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So. You are telling me that you have access to all video from the team resources? YouTube? Get real. Every practice snap is not available on youtube. That is total bull****. And, yes, what happens in practice has little to no relevance to what happens in game play. There are far too many factors that cannot be taken into consideration. Ten other players can greatly affect the performance of the eleventh in an uncontrolled environment. And, no, I am not hell bent on proving that most fans are morons. We simply do not have the resources to attempt informed analysis. No, it is not rocket science. But it is not so very far removed with respect to experience and training. Without the inside information, or at least the professional discipline closely related, it is foolish to think one would have anywhere near the insight to analyse the intricacies of the business. Loomis does not need my defense. He is respected throughout the league by his expertise. On that note, please continue to share your opinions. Just understand that to you and you alone, or Joe Shmoe alone in his case, should be accepted as more than background noise at this point of the NFL schedule. You aren't even trying at this point. I, at no point, said every practice snap was available on youtube. I only briefly mentioned practice as being the one thing I "might not see". And I mentioned youtube sarcastically, as your favorite thing to say is "they have access to all the game film". The point was that you don't need to look it up. All the games are on TV. I can see it live. Yes, I have access to any film I want, if I want it. What, do you think the film they have will look different because they can stop it and draw pictures in the middle of it? Be real, man. I don't know all of the details that go on, and I don't claim to. I'm not in on the meetings. Similarly, I don't sit in on the governor's meetings, yet I can tell you that his idea of cutting the LSU football program because of the state deficit is the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time. My point here is very simple. Just because I don't know all the details, doesn't mean that I can't see the difference between a good GM, an average GM, and a bad GM. You say Loomis is respected throughout the league for his expertise. Who told you that? Because you don't hear his counterparts publicly bashing him (because that's so common, right), you assume that everyone respects him? You're all caught up in the "intricacies", as if we are debating the inner workings of a computer hard-drive. We see the same numbers you do. Yet what we read is all "unreliable", but you apparently have the goods. Right.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-19-2016, 09:24 PM	#30
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Looks like Spiller will be back Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. I think you nailed it on the head. As fans we are nothing. No "information" is reliable unless it is stamped as an official NFL transaction. Yes, we have fingers, and eyes, and voices, and irrational thoughts. I spent ten years working in the sports media arena. In this case I know what I am talking about. There are as more idiots clacking away at computer keys and pontificating on the air percentage wise as there are fans reading their sewage. And you are assuming that all of us are in that same "percentage". That's your problem. You think YOU are the enlightened one. I'm all for a good argument, here and there, but what you do is beyond that. You come in here like a seagull, crapping all over everyone's head, and just trying your best to irritate people with your pretentious claims of superiority. "I spent ten years working in the sports media arena"... So what? I have worked zero years in any media, and I can tell you exactly what you told me. What does that have to do with calling out a GM for over paying players, and pushing back cap problems? You've given nothing of any substance. You continue to say that we know nothing, but you can't tell me why I'm wrong. Only that (in your opinion) he is respected, and that we don't know the intricacies.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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