Guard FA is critical.

triman · 02-26-2016, 11:20 PM

Drew needs to give the Saints enough money to bring K. Osemelee to the black and gold.. IMHO this would improve our pass protection and our run blocking.Improving the run game would aid our defense. Solidifying pass protection gives Drew the time he needs to keep our offense clicking.. I t is very difficult to find OL rookies that can start immediately in today's nfl game.
This doesn't mean we shouldn't draft a guard. I think that we will be in the market for a vet at the guard spot. You always overpay in FA. Why not overpay for the best.

jeanpierre · 02-27-2016, 01:07 AM

We do not need to overpay for a guard...

We did that with the last guard we signed out of Baltimore (Grubbs)...

If he was that good, Ozzie Newsome wouldn't have let him on the open market...

voodooido · 02-27-2016, 06:39 AM

I do agree we need a couple guards in FA. I wouls settle with Leito and 2 mid level guards. Maybe draft Vadal in the 2nd. We can not waste money as we have in the past on big name flops.

spkb25 · 02-27-2016, 07:47 AM

we need to draft a guard. We have to start building through the draft (which we did last year). It is my belief (and I may very well be wrong) that most really good teams build through the draft. I thought Tim improved a lot as the year went on, am I wrong in my thinking? Even drafting a guard would probably mean we would need a vet for 1-2 years. So we will probably still need one through FA. We let JE walk because he wasn't worth (was it 5 or 6 mil??) the money, wouldn't we pay a decent vet the same?

How did Grubbs do for KC last year? I honestly don't know.

ChrisXVI · 02-27-2016, 08:16 AM

Tim Lelito needs to play RG because he does so much better there. We can find a great player to play LG in the 2nd or even 3rd round of the draft. Any other guards I'd bring in would be cheap backups.

hagan714 · 02-27-2016, 08:33 AM

Litto on the left or the right really makes no difference when he has showed little to absolutely no improvement in his ability to react the phone booth. stunts are still killing the kid. Picking them up, passing them off and picking up delayed blitzes. None of the skill sets are near the level they need to be. I am starting to give up on the kid and accept he is a backup in our system or he needs a change and get in a system that requires him to do less.

There are the only a few players I see in the draft that could be on the board when we pick and have a shot at starting. I have dropped a few off my list.

day 2
Joshua Garnett OT/OG Stanford 6041 321 5.38
Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri 6042 305 5.02
day 3
Joe Dahl OG Washington St. 6041 312 5.29

Free agents?
high priced
Kelechi Osemele, G/OT, Ravens - no doubts about his game

moderate
Jeff Allen, G, Chiefs 0 still trying to figure out why Reed did not play him more

cheap risk?
Mike Harris, G, Vikings

Connor McGovern looked like best prospect at the combine and his game tapes are solid. he may have jumped all the way into the second. experienced at OT and both OG positions is huge. size and reach are basically average but superior strength and probably the smoothest OL in the draft makes up for a good bit of the short comings. He is quickly becoming a top favorite. just wish he had more sand in his pants to compete in our division.

Mike Harris is interesting because he just switched to guard and looked pretty good after looking pretty darn poor at tackle.

Draft has some solid prospect to develop over a year or two but to start? it looks like slim pickings. That is why I do not put a lot weight on the bowl performances of some DL prospects. It is a down year for interior offensive lineman.

triman · 02-27-2016, 08:40 AM

I agree we need to draft a guard but expecting a rookie to come in and start is a recipe for disaster . We need a very good veteran if we hope to have success this year.

spkb25 · 02-27-2016, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Litto on the left or the right really makes no difference when he has showed little to absolutely no improvement in his ability to react the phone booth. stunts are still killing the kid. Picking them up, passing them off and picking up delayed blitzes. None of the skill sets are near the level they need to be. I am starting to give up on the kid and accept he is a backup in our system or he needs a change and get in a system that requires him to do less.

There are the only a few players I see in the draft that could be on the board when we pick and have a shot at starting. I have dropped a few off my list.

day 2
Joshua Garnett OT/OG Stanford 6041 321 5.38
Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri 6042 305 5.02
day 3
Joe Dahl OG Washington St. 6041 312 5.29

Free agents?
high priced
Kelechi Osemele, G/OT, Ravens - no doubts about his game

moderate
Jeff Allen, G, Chiefs 0 still trying to figure out why Reed did not play him more

cheap risk?
Mike Harris, G, Vikings

Connor McGovern looked like best prospect at the combine and his game tapes are solid. he may have jumped all the way into the second. experienced at OT and both OG positions is huge. size and reach are basically average but superior strength and probably the smoothest OL in the draft makes up for a good bit of the short comings. He is quickly becoming a top favorite. just wish he had more sand in his pants to compete in our division.

Mike Harris is interesting because he just switched to guard and looked pretty good after looking pretty darn poor at tackle.

Draft has some solid prospect to develop over a year or two but to start? it looks like slim pickings. That is why I do not put a lot weight on the bowl performances of some DL prospects. It is a down year for interior offensive lineman.

Young and worth the money, if we don't overpay.

Euphoria · 02-27-2016, 11:31 AM

STOP!!! This theory of having this great offense and no D is flawed if you haven't been paying attention.

SO we can score 50 against any team but when the other teams score 51 we lose.

We have NO D!!! We need to get one if we ever want to win another SB. We need a D that cans keep people from going over 20 - so our offense could get 21 and win.

Sorry I think we need to look D first at every pick if there isn't one we love then go O with that pick.

Crusader · 02-27-2016, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by triman

I agree we need to draft a guard but expecting a rookie to come in and start is a recipe for disaster . We need a very good veteran if we hope to have success this year.

Yeah that Collins kid has been horrible for the Cowboys and Evans was a hot mess for us in his first year....

02-26-2016, 11:20 PM	#1
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Guard FA is critical. Drew needs to give the Saints enough money to bring K. Osemelee to the black and gold.. IMHO this would improve our pass protection and our run blocking.Improving the run game would aid our defense. Solidifying pass protection gives Drew the time he needs to keep our offense clicking.. I t is very difficult to find OL rookies that can start immediately in today's nfl game. This doesn't mean we shouldn't draft a guard. I think that we will be in the market for a vet at the guard spot. You always overpay in FA. Why not overpay for the best.
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02-27-2016, 01:07 AM	#2
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02-27-2016, 06:39 AM	#3
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Guard FA is critical. I do agree we need a couple guards in FA. I wouls settle with Leito and 2 mid level guards. Maybe draft Vadal in the 2nd. We can not waste money as we have in the past on big name flops.
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02-27-2016, 07:47 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Guard FA is critical. we need to draft a guard. We have to start building through the draft (which we did last year). It is my belief (and I may very well be wrong) that most really good teams build through the draft. I thought Tim improved a lot as the year went on, am I wrong in my thinking? Even drafting a guard would probably mean we would need a vet for 1-2 years. So we will probably still need one through FA. We let JE walk because he wasn't worth (was it 5 or 6 mil??) the money, wouldn't we pay a decent vet the same? How did Grubbs do for KC last year? I honestly don't know. dizzle88 likes this.
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02-27-2016, 08:16 AM	#5
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Guard FA is critical. Tim Lelito needs to play RG because he does so much better there. We can find a great player to play LG in the 2nd or even 3rd round of the draft. Any other guards I'd bring in would be cheap backups.

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02-27-2016, 08:33 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Guard FA is critical. Litto on the left or the right really makes no difference when he has showed little to absolutely no improvement in his ability to react the phone booth. stunts are still killing the kid. Picking them up, passing them off and picking up delayed blitzes. None of the skill sets are near the level they need to be. I am starting to give up on the kid and accept he is a backup in our system or he needs a change and get in a system that requires him to do less. There are the only a few players I see in the draft that could be on the board when we pick and have a shot at starting. I have dropped a few off my list. day 2 Joshua Garnett OT/OG Stanford 6041 321 5.38 Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri 6042 305 5.02 day 3 Joe Dahl OG Washington St. 6041 312 5.29 Free agents? high priced Kelechi Osemele, G/OT, Ravens - no doubts about his game moderate Jeff Allen, G, Chiefs 0 still trying to figure out why Reed did not play him more cheap risk? Mike Harris, G, Vikings Connor McGovern looked like best prospect at the combine and his game tapes are solid. he may have jumped all the way into the second. experienced at OT and both OG positions is huge. size and reach are basically average but superior strength and probably the smoothest OL in the draft makes up for a good bit of the short comings. He is quickly becoming a top favorite. just wish he had more sand in his pants to compete in our division. Mike Harris is interesting because he just switched to guard and looked pretty good after looking pretty darn poor at tackle. Draft has some solid prospect to develop over a year or two but to start? it looks like slim pickings. That is why I do not put a lot weight on the bowl performances of some DL prospects. It is a down year for interior offensive lineman.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Guard FA is critical. Originally Posted by hagan714 Litto on the left or the right really makes no difference when he has showed little to absolutely no improvement in his ability to react the phone booth. stunts are still killing the kid. Picking them up, passing them off and picking up delayed blitzes. None of the skill sets are near the level they need to be. I am starting to give up on the kid and accept he is a backup in our system or he needs a change and get in a system that requires him to do less. There are the only a few players I see in the draft that could be on the board when we pick and have a shot at starting. I have dropped a few off my list. day 2 Joshua Garnett OT/OG Stanford 6041 321 5.38 Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri 6042 305 5.02 day 3 Joe Dahl OG Washington St. 6041 312 5.29 Free agents? high priced Kelechi Osemele, G/OT, Ravens - no doubts about his game moderate Jeff Allen, G, Chiefs 0 still trying to figure out why Reed did not play him more cheap risk? Mike Harris, G, Vikings Connor McGovern looked like best prospect at the combine and his game tapes are solid. he may have jumped all the way into the second. experienced at OT and both OG positions is huge. size and reach are basically average but superior strength and probably the smoothest OL in the draft makes up for a good bit of the short comings. He is quickly becoming a top favorite. just wish he had more sand in his pants to compete in our division. Mike Harris is interesting because he just switched to guard and looked pretty good after looking pretty darn poor at tackle. Draft has some solid prospect to develop over a year or two but to start? it looks like slim pickings. That is why I do not put a lot weight on the bowl performances of some DL prospects. It is a down year for interior offensive lineman. Young and worth the money, if we don't overpay.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Guard FA is critical. STOP!!! This theory of having this great offense and no D is flawed if you haven't been paying attention. SO we can score 50 against any team but when the other teams score 51 we lose. We have NO D!!! We need to get one if we ever want to win another SB. We need a D that cans keep people from going over 20 - so our offense could get 21 and win. Sorry I think we need to look D first at every pick if there isn't one we love then go O with that pick.

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