Saints match Chicago Bears’ offer, retain tight end Josh Hill

brees84 · 03-25-2016, 03:08 PM

Why?

|Mitch| · 03-25-2016, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

Why?

I can see Hill and Fleener tearing it up; just like Hill and Graham would do...

Hard to cover 3 big men with Coleman(6'6), Hill(6'5), Fleener(6'6)

|Mitch| · 03-25-2016, 03:12 PM

burningmetal · 03-26-2016, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I can see Hill and Fleener tearing it up; just like Hill and Graham would do...

Hard to cover 3 big men with Coleman(6'6), Hill(6'5), Fleener(6'6)

When exactly did Hill and Graham tear it up together? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm seriously asking. Hill has done virtually nothing by any logic I can think of. I don't get what the point is of continuing to kick this proverbial can down the road.

spkb25 · 03-26-2016, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

When exactly did Hill and Graham tear it up together? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm seriously asking. Hill has done virtually nothing by any logic I can think of. I don't get what the point is of continuing to kick this proverbial can down the road.

I don't think Hill has done much from a catching standpoint, I can' speak of what else he brings to the table. I do remember him making some plays on ST, however.

I agree though, I don't remember them both having like 50-70 catches one season. Thought the same when I read it!

|Mitch| · 03-26-2016, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

When exactly did Hill and Graham tear it up together?

2014; Graham would draw coverage and Hill ended up with 5 TD passes...

Josh Hill \|\| "King of the Hill" á´´á´° \|\| 2014 Highlights - YouTube

burningmetal · 03-26-2016, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

2014; Graham would draw coverage and Hill ended up with 5 TD passes...

Josh Hill || "King of the Hill" á´´á´° || 2014 Highlights - YouTube

Yes. GRAHAM drew the coverage away from Hill. And Hill had, I believe, 7 total catches that year. How is that tearing it up? Anyone could have had those 5 touchdowns, when he was left alone.

|Mitch| · 03-26-2016, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Yes. GRAHAM drew the coverage away from Hill. And Hill had, I believe, 7 total catches that year. How is that tearing it up? Anyone could have had those 5 touchdowns, when he was left alone.

15 TD's between the 2 TE's and now we have a more athletic and faster Graham in Fleener, whose been playing football and TE a lot longer.

But just go ahead and keep hating the re-signing, even though it actually saves us cap space and offers pretty good depth and an excellent special teams player....

burningmetal · 03-27-2016, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

15 TD's between the 2 TE's and now we have a more athletic and faster Graham in Fleener, whose been playing football and TE a lot longer.

But just go ahead and keep hating the re-signing, even though it actually saves us cap space and offers pretty good depth and an excellent special teams player....

That's like saying between me and Drew Brees, we have 420 something TD passes. It doesn't really count when one guy is doing all the work. Again, Hill only had about 7 catches that year. What did he do after that?

I didn't say anything about hating the re-signing, though I don't know why the team thinks they need him. I was more baffled by your comment that Hill and Graham tore it up together. That's just not accurate.

And Fleener is not a faster version of Graham. Fleener runs a 4.5 something, and Graham ran in the 4.4's. Now with injuries Graham has slowed down, but if you're comparing these two in their prime, there isn't a legitimate comparison. But never mind the 40 times... Fleener has never put up more than decent stats. And I was critical of Graham's disappearing act in big games, but he's definitely a far better receiving threat than any of the TE's we have now.

Seer1 · 03-26-2016, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by brees84

Why?

He took mine!

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Josh Hill Originally Posted by brees84 Why? I can see Hill and Fleener tearing it up; just like Hill and Graham would do... Hard to cover 3 big men with Coleman(6'6), Hill(6'5), Fleener(6'6) mleg1972 and Saint in Aus like this.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Josh Hill Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I can see Hill and Fleener tearing it up; just like Hill and Graham would do... Hard to cover 3 big men with Coleman(6'6), Hill(6'5), Fleener(6'6) When exactly did Hill and Graham tear it up together? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm seriously asking. Hill has done virtually nothing by any logic I can think of. I don't get what the point is of continuing to kick this proverbial can down the road. brees84 likes this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Josh Hill Originally Posted by burningmetal When exactly did Hill and Graham tear it up together? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm seriously asking. Hill has done virtually nothing by any logic I can think of. I don't get what the point is of continuing to kick this proverbial can down the road. I don't think Hill has done much from a catching standpoint, I can' speak of what else he brings to the table. I do remember him making some plays on ST, however. I agree though, I don't remember them both having like 50-70 catches one season. Thought the same when I read it!

03-26-2016, 08:02 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Josh Hill Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| 2014; Graham would draw coverage and Hill ended up with 5 TD passes... Josh Hill \|\| "King of the Hill" á´´á´° \|\| 2014 Highlights - YouTube Yes. GRAHAM drew the coverage away from Hill. And Hill had, I believe, 7 total catches that year. How is that tearing it up? Anyone could have had those 5 touchdowns, when he was left alone.

03-26-2016, 08:23 PM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Josh Hill Originally Posted by burningmetal Yes. GRAHAM drew the coverage away from Hill. And Hill had, I believe, 7 total catches that year. How is that tearing it up? Anyone could have had those 5 touchdowns, when he was left alone. 15 TD's between the 2 TE's and now we have a more athletic and faster Graham in Fleener, whose been playing football and TE a lot longer. But just go ahead and keep hating the re-signing, even though it actually saves us cap space and offers pretty good depth and an excellent special teams player....

03-27-2016, 12:29 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Josh Hill Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| 15 TD's between the 2 TE's and now we have a more athletic and faster Graham in Fleener, whose been playing football and TE a lot longer. But just go ahead and keep hating the re-signing, even though it actually saves us cap space and offers pretty good depth and an excellent special teams player.... That's like saying between me and Drew Brees, we have 420 something TD passes. It doesn't really count when one guy is doing all the work. Again, Hill only had about 7 catches that year. What did he do after that? I didn't say anything about hating the re-signing, though I don't know why the team thinks they need him. I was more baffled by your comment that Hill and Graham tore it up together. That's just not accurate. And Fleener is not a faster version of Graham. Fleener runs a 4.5 something, and Graham ran in the 4.4's. Now with injuries Graham has slowed down, but if you're comparing these two in their prime, there isn't a legitimate comparison. But never mind the 40 times... Fleener has never put up more than decent stats. And I was critical of Graham's disappearing act in big games, but he's definitely a far better receiving threat than any of the TE's we have now.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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