Saints match Chicago Bears’ offer, retain tight end Josh Hill

Utah_Saint · 03-27-2016, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And Fleener is not a faster version of Graham. Fleener runs a 4.5 something, and Graham ran in the 4.4's. Now with injuries Graham has slowed down, but if you're comparing these two in their prime, there isn't a legitimate comparison. But never mind the 40 times... Fleener has never put up more than decent stats. And I was critical of Graham's disappearing act in big games, but he's definitely a far better receiving threat than any of the TE's we have now.

It's the other way around. Fleener ran in the 4.4's, Graham ran in the 4.5's.

I guess everyone has their own definition for "decent stats" but just taking a quick look at TE stats for 2014....

Fleener led TE's in Yards per catch
1. Fleener - 15.2
2. Walker - 14.3
3. Gronkowski - 13.7
4. Paul - 13.0
11. Graham - 10.5

Fleener was 2nd in TD/Catch
1. Antonio Gates - 17.39%
2. Fleener - 15.69%
3. Gronkowski - 14.63%
4. Graham - 11.76%

2nd in 20yds+ Rec
1. Gronkowski - 19
2. Fleener - 16
3. Kelce - 15
4. Walker - 13
11. Graham - 8

5th in YAC/Rec
1. Kelce - 7.01
2. Paul - 6.49
3. Gronkowski - 5.79
4. Walker - 5.63
5. Fleener - 5.59
15. Graham - 3.24

(source: ESPN Stats, Receiving, 2014)

Edit: Fleener also ranked 6th on PFF's pass blocking efficiency ratings. Some of the guys above him on the ranking aren't generally thought of as pass catching TEs. None of the guys ranked higher in Pass Blocking Efficiency, finished in the top 15 in receptions.

03-27-2016, 11:12 AM	#11
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Josh Hill Originally Posted by burningmetal And Fleener is not a faster version of Graham. Fleener runs a 4.5 something, and Graham ran in the 4.4's. Now with injuries Graham has slowed down, but if you're comparing these two in their prime, there isn't a legitimate comparison. But never mind the 40 times... Fleener has never put up more than decent stats. And I was critical of Graham's disappearing act in big games, but he's definitely a far better receiving threat than any of the TE's we have now. It's the other way around. Fleener ran in the 4.4's, Graham ran in the 4.5's. I guess everyone has their own definition for "decent stats" but just taking a quick look at TE stats for 2014.... Fleener led TE's in Yards per catch 1. Fleener - 15.2 2. Walker - 14.3 3. Gronkowski - 13.7 4. Paul - 13.0 11. Graham - 10.5 Fleener was 2nd in TD/Catch 1. Antonio Gates - 17.39% 2. Fleener - 15.69% 3. Gronkowski - 14.63% 4. Graham - 11.76% 2nd in 20yds+ Rec 1. Gronkowski - 19 2. Fleener - 16 3. Kelce - 15 4. Walker - 13 11. Graham - 8 5th in YAC/Rec 1. Kelce - 7.01 2. Paul - 6.49 3. Gronkowski - 5.79 4. Walker - 5.63 5. Fleener - 5.59 15. Graham - 3.24 (source: ESPN Stats, Receiving, 2014) Edit: Fleener also ranked 6th on PFF's pass blocking efficiency ratings. Some of the guys above him on the ranking aren't generally thought of as pass catching TEs. None of the guys ranked higher in Pass Blocking Efficiency, finished in the top 15 in receptions.

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