Restructure for Byrd?

Audiotom · 03-30-2016, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I agree. Byrd was too busy keeping a lazy eye on #39. Kind of hard to freelance when you know the play was coming his way.

Byrd was nowhere near Browner
He was playing deep centerfield on the warning tracks in a ballpark with 500 ft to the wall

Never helped out the right fielder up the gap

And was tentative to anything coming his way

hagan714 · 03-30-2016, 05:53 AM

Byrd injury history is a solid reason not to redo this contract and back load it any further. We need room in the tub for other players. He is hang out and snapping towels with his team mates for way too long now.

dead vs cap
2016 $10,900,000 $17,400,000 We be stuck

Now cutting Byrd gives us cap relief
2017 $11,700,000 $8,000,000
2018 $12,200,000 $4,600,000
2019 $10,200,000 $1,200,000

With his history why in the world would not look at this as his option year?

I watched him a ton in the northeast and warned all the people going gaga over him that the Pats always wanted him locked into coverage and not allowed to roam free. That was the game plan to neutralize him.

Byrd needs a SS with coverage skills to free him up to roam. In order to free up a SS to maximize Byrds skill set you need CB that can cover one on one. The saints still have not added a SS to help the guy out back there. The Kenny and Byrd marriage was a match doomed to fail before the ink dried on the deal.

Also Byrd came from the AFC East. Every team in the AFC East has a revolving door at the QBs locker, except the Pats. So INT came easy and often with such bad QB play year in and year out in the division.

So this is why I hated the contract and all the media hype surrounding him. Then to watch Rob do little or nothing to make this signing work as best as he could simple amazed me to the point of making me physically sick.

So once again I am beating the draft drum for FS/SS/CB in the draft. Ones with coverage skill of an above average CB with bad hips and yet have tackling skill of a LB but just not the build. Jalen Ramsey is a dream pick to solve the issues with Byrd but so was Deone Bucannon at 27 in 2014. I still would take Deon over Cook to this day. Which was my pick at 27 for the saints.

So my only hope is in Dennis Allen to correct this glaring level of personnel stupidity that ranks up there with some of the saints greatest bone head moves in history. It is a good year for FS/SS/CB types this year so there is hope. The talent level is so good and deep it flows over into UDFA. Unless it turns into a record year for the number of FS/SS/CB taken in a draft. The first 3 rounds have enough talent to get a player with a solid chance of starting at SS and/or replacing Bryd at FS all together. anyways...

Till the saints do something to plug this crippling cap situation they created and have done absolutely nothing to make it work, I can not see a valid reason to paint yourself any further into a hole with him by redoing his contract.

darksoul35 · 03-30-2016, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Byrd injury history is a solid reason not to redo this contract and back load it. We need room in the tub for other players. He is hang out and snapping towels with his team mates for way too long now.
dead vs cap
2016 $10,900,000 $17,400,000 We be stuck

Now cutting Byrd gives us cap relief
2017 $11,700,000 $8,000,000
2018 $12,200,000 $4,600,000
2019 $10,200,000 $1,200,000

With his history why in the world would not look at this as his option year?

I watched him a ton in the northeast and warned all the people going gaga over him that the Pats always wanted him locked into coverage and not allowed to roam free. That was the game plan to neutralize him.

Byrd needs a SS with coverage skills to free him up to roam. In order to free up a SS to maximize Byrds skill set you need CB that can cover one on one. The saints still have mot added a SS to help the guy out back there. Kenny and Byrd was a match doomed to fail before the ink dried on the deal.

Also Byrd came from the AFC East. Every team in the AFC East has a revolving door at QB locker, except the Pats. So INT came easy and often with such bad QB play year in and year out in the division.

I never thought about that. I still have high hopes that he will be at least worth half his salary but u have good points.

spkb25 · 03-30-2016, 06:22 AM

Even if Byrd was one of the top safeties in the league for the remained of his contract ID let him go, that said Roby Ryan was more than likely the problem as he was for pretty much everything

Rugby Saint II · 03-31-2016, 02:09 PM

I sure wish we could see Sunseri available more often. He has shown flashes of talent when I've watched him play. He looks good to my untrained eye.

saintfan · 03-31-2016, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I sure wish we could see Sunseri available more often. He has shown flashes of talent when I've watched him play. He looks good to my untrained eye.

Yeah. He's spunky. He's one of those guys, you know, that might not show well in practice but might do well actually playing the game. I don't know.

K Major · 03-31-2016, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I sure wish we could see Sunseri available more often. He has shown flashes of talent when I've watched him play. He looks good to my untrained eye.

Vinny will have his chance to shine at camp. Hopefully he is completely healthy & ready to go.

halloween 65 · 03-31-2016, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Byrd injury history is a solid reason not to redo this contract and back load it any further. We need room in the tub for other players. He is hang out and snapping towels with his team mates for way too long now.

dead vs cap
2016 $10,900,000 $17,400,000 We be stuck

Now cutting Byrd gives us cap relief
2017 $11,700,000 $8,000,000
2018 $12,200,000 $4,600,000
2019 $10,200,000 $1,200,000

With his history why in the world would not look at this as his option year?

I watched him a ton in the northeast and warned all the people going gaga over him that the Pats always wanted him locked into coverage and not allowed to roam free. That was the game plan to neutralize him.

Byrd needs a SS with coverage skills to free him up to roam. In order to free up a SS to maximize Byrds skill set you need CB that can cover one on one. The saints still have not added a SS to help the guy out back there. The Kenny and Byrd marriage was a match doomed to fail before the ink dried on the deal.

Also Byrd came from the AFC East. Every team in the AFC East has a revolving door at the QBs locker, except the Pats. So INT came easy and often with such bad QB play year in and year out in the division.

So this is why I hated the contract and all the media hype surrounding him. Then to watch Rob do little or nothing to make this signing work as best as he could simple amazed me to the point of making me physically sick.

So once again I am beating the draft drum for FS/SS/CB in the draft. Ones with coverage skill of an above average CB with bad hips and yet have tackling skill of a LB but just not the build. Jalen Ramsey is a dream pick to solve the issues with Byrd but so was Deone Bucannon at 27 in 2014. I still would take Deon over Cook to this day. Which was my pick at 27 for the saints.

So my only hope is in Dennis Allen to correct this glaring level of personnel stupidity that ranks up there with some of the saints greatest bone head moves in history. It is a good year for FS/SS/CB types this year so there is hope. The talent level is so good and deep it flows over into UDFA. Unless it turns into a record year for the number of FS/SS/CB taken in a draft. The first 3 rounds have enough talent to get a player with a solid chance of starting at SS and/or replacing Bryd at FS all together. anyways...

Till the saints do something to plug this crippling cap situation they created and have done absolutely nothing to make it work, I can not see a valid reason to paint yourself any further into a hole with him by redoing his contract.

You were not the only one who wanted Buccannon. Your right about Ramsey too.. Vaccarro really is a bad SS and needs traded or cut. We're going to need another man CB also. With the lb.'ers we have they might be o.k. but a cover OLB in the draft would go a long way as far as that position goes but we still got to plug up the middle upfront. I like Reed over Robinson but with what we have now I got to go with Robinson because he's quicker and thats the only reason. To build around though Reed would be the man. If we do go after Robinson at #14 we could use our 2nd on the Penn state guy. If we go Reed at #14 I would still get the Penn State monster or Butler. I'm still trying to fit WR Sharpe in there somewhere and a OG although there is a pretty decent OG in the 4th.

The Dude · 04-01-2016, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

Byrd has been an absolute pathetic pickup
Not counting when he was injured

He is never anywhere near the ball
Doesn't coverge over the top on a deep play
When he actually gets in position and has a shot he misses
In the Colts game last year he was turned around 3 times for a score

The only time you see him is when someone is already tackled he runs up to touch them, trying to add to his stats?

Just pathetic

I dont know what games you were watching but Byrd was all around the ball when in the lineup. He actually produced well once he got healthy. Hes not worth the salary but he is one of our best defensive backs.

Audiotom · 04-01-2016, 10:42 PM

I just rewatched the condensed game of the second Saints / Panthers

Byrd. - here in just two bone head plays that cost 14 points

3rd and 17 (first and goal after a penalty)
Five guys lined up in the end zone
Guy on left has to bite up on under receiver
Byrd just stands there rather than cover - touchdown

Later gywn runs a deep post
Beats the cb, burns byrd who is right in his line of fire, who only manages to grab his arm, not even slow him down
Catches the ball ten yards later - walk in
Touchdown

03-30-2016, 01:08 AM	#21
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Restructure for Byrd? Originally Posted by K Major I agree. Byrd was too busy keeping a lazy eye on #39. Kind of hard to freelance when you know the play was coming his way. Byrd was nowhere near Browner He was playing deep centerfield on the warning tracks in a ballpark with 500 ft to the wall Never helped out the right fielder up the gap And was tentative to anything coming his way

03-30-2016, 05:53 AM	#22
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Restructure for Byrd? Byrd injury history is a solid reason not to redo this contract and back load it any further. We need room in the tub for other players. He is hang out and snapping towels with his team mates for way too long now. dead vs cap 2016 $10,900,000 $17,400,000 We be stuck Now cutting Byrd gives us cap relief 2017 $11,700,000 $8,000,000 2018 $12,200,000 $4,600,000 2019 $10,200,000 $1,200,000 With his history why in the world would not look at this as his option year? I watched him a ton in the northeast and warned all the people going gaga over him that the Pats always wanted him locked into coverage and not allowed to roam free. That was the game plan to neutralize him. Byrd needs a SS with coverage skills to free him up to roam. In order to free up a SS to maximize Byrds skill set you need CB that can cover one on one. The saints still have not added a SS to help the guy out back there. The Kenny and Byrd marriage was a match doomed to fail before the ink dried on the deal. Also Byrd came from the AFC East. Every team in the AFC East has a revolving door at the QBs locker, except the Pats. So INT came easy and often with such bad QB play year in and year out in the division. So this is why I hated the contract and all the media hype surrounding him. Then to watch Rob do little or nothing to make this signing work as best as he could simple amazed me to the point of making me physically sick. So once again I am beating the draft drum for FS/SS/CB in the draft. Ones with coverage skill of an above average CB with bad hips and yet have tackling skill of a LB but just not the build. Jalen Ramsey is a dream pick to solve the issues with Byrd but so was Deone Bucannon at 27 in 2014. I still would take Deon over Cook to this day. Which was my pick at 27 for the saints. So my only hope is in Dennis Allen to correct this glaring level of personnel stupidity that ranks up there with some of the saints greatest bone head moves in history. It is a good year for FS/SS/CB types this year so there is hope. The talent level is so good and deep it flows over into UDFA. Unless it turns into a record year for the number of FS/SS/CB taken in a draft. The first 3 rounds have enough talent to get a player with a solid chance of starting at SS and/or replacing Bryd at FS all together. anyways... Till the saints do something to plug this crippling cap situation they created and have done absolutely nothing to make it work, I can not see a valid reason to paint yourself any further into a hole with him by redoing his contract. darksoul35 likes this.
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03-30-2016, 06:15 AM	#23
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Restructure for Byrd? Originally Posted by hagan714 Byrd injury history is a solid reason not to redo this contract and back load it. We need room in the tub for other players. He is hang out and snapping towels with his team mates for way too long now. dead vs cap 2016 $10,900,000 $17,400,000 We be stuck Now cutting Byrd gives us cap relief 2017 $11,700,000 $8,000,000 2018 $12,200,000 $4,600,000 2019 $10,200,000 $1,200,000 With his history why in the world would not look at this as his option year? I watched him a ton in the northeast and warned all the people going gaga over him that the Pats always wanted him locked into coverage and not allowed to roam free. That was the game plan to neutralize him. Byrd needs a SS with coverage skills to free him up to roam. In order to free up a SS to maximize Byrds skill set you need CB that can cover one on one. The saints still have mot added a SS to help the guy out back there. Kenny and Byrd was a match doomed to fail before the ink dried on the deal. Also Byrd came from the AFC East. Every team in the AFC East has a revolving door at QB locker, except the Pats. So INT came easy and often with such bad QB play year in and year out in the division. I never thought about that. I still have high hopes that he will be at least worth half his salary but u have good points.
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03-30-2016, 06:22 AM	#24
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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Restructure for Byrd? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I sure wish we could see Sunseri available more often. He has shown flashes of talent when I've watched him play. He looks good to my untrained eye. Yeah. He's spunky. He's one of those guys, you know, that might not show well in practice but might do well actually playing the game. I don't know.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Restructure for Byrd? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I sure wish we could see Sunseri available more often. He has shown flashes of talent when I've watched him play. He looks good to my untrained eye. Vinny will have his chance to shine at camp. Hopefully he is completely healthy & ready to go.

03-31-2016, 07:19 PM	#28
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Restructure for Byrd? Originally Posted by hagan714 Byrd injury history is a solid reason not to redo this contract and back load it any further. We need room in the tub for other players. He is hang out and snapping towels with his team mates for way too long now. dead vs cap 2016 $10,900,000 $17,400,000 We be stuck Now cutting Byrd gives us cap relief 2017 $11,700,000 $8,000,000 2018 $12,200,000 $4,600,000 2019 $10,200,000 $1,200,000 With his history why in the world would not look at this as his option year? I watched him a ton in the northeast and warned all the people going gaga over him that the Pats always wanted him locked into coverage and not allowed to roam free. That was the game plan to neutralize him. Byrd needs a SS with coverage skills to free him up to roam. In order to free up a SS to maximize Byrds skill set you need CB that can cover one on one. The saints still have not added a SS to help the guy out back there. The Kenny and Byrd marriage was a match doomed to fail before the ink dried on the deal. Also Byrd came from the AFC East. Every team in the AFC East has a revolving door at the QBs locker, except the Pats. So INT came easy and often with such bad QB play year in and year out in the division. So this is why I hated the contract and all the media hype surrounding him. Then to watch Rob do little or nothing to make this signing work as best as he could simple amazed me to the point of making me physically sick. So once again I am beating the draft drum for FS/SS/CB in the draft. Ones with coverage skill of an above average CB with bad hips and yet have tackling skill of a LB but just not the build. Jalen Ramsey is a dream pick to solve the issues with Byrd but so was Deone Bucannon at 27 in 2014. I still would take Deon over Cook to this day. Which was my pick at 27 for the saints. So my only hope is in Dennis Allen to correct this glaring level of personnel stupidity that ranks up there with some of the saints greatest bone head moves in history. It is a good year for FS/SS/CB types this year so there is hope. The talent level is so good and deep it flows over into UDFA. Unless it turns into a record year for the number of FS/SS/CB taken in a draft. The first 3 rounds have enough talent to get a player with a solid chance of starting at SS and/or replacing Bryd at FS all together. anyways... Till the saints do something to plug this crippling cap situation they created and have done absolutely nothing to make it work, I can not see a valid reason to paint yourself any further into a hole with him by redoing his contract. You were not the only one who wanted Buccannon. Your right about Ramsey too.. Vaccarro really is a bad SS and needs traded or cut. We're going to need another man CB also. With the lb.'ers we have they might be o.k. but a cover OLB in the draft would go a long way as far as that position goes but we still got to plug up the middle upfront. I like Reed over Robinson but with what we have now I got to go with Robinson because he's quicker and thats the only reason. To build around though Reed would be the man. If we do go after Robinson at #14 we could use our 2nd on the Penn state guy. If we go Reed at #14 I would still get the Penn State monster or Butler. I'm still trying to fit WR Sharpe in there somewhere and a OG although there is a pretty decent OG in the 4th. Audiotom likes this.

04-01-2016, 04:27 PM	#29
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Restructure for Byrd? Originally Posted by Audiotom Byrd has been an absolute pathetic pickup Not counting when he was injured He is never anywhere near the ball Doesn't coverge over the top on a deep play When he actually gets in position and has a shot he misses In the Colts game last year he was turned around 3 times for a score The only time you see him is when someone is already tackled he runs up to touch them, trying to add to his stats? Just pathetic I dont know what games you were watching but Byrd was all around the ball when in the lineup. He actually produced well once he got healthy. Hes not worth the salary but he is one of our best defensive backs. Danno and K Major like this.
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04-01-2016, 10:42 PM	#30
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Restructure for Byrd? I just rewatched the condensed game of the second Saints / Panthers Byrd. - here in just two bone head plays that cost 14 points 3rd and 17 (first and goal after a penalty) Five guys lined up in the end zone Guy on left has to bite up on under receiver Byrd just stands there rather than cover - touchdown Later gywn runs a deep post Beats the cb, burns byrd who is right in his line of fire, who only manages to grab his arm, not even slow him down Catches the ball ten yards later - walk in Touchdown

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