NFL Draft Needs: Saints

RaginCajun83 · 04-19-2016, 06:44 PM

defense
defense
defense
defense
offensive line

Danno · 04-19-2016, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

defense
defense
defense
defense
offensive line

What if there are only B-players left on defense when we pick, but several A-players on offense?

B-prospects on defense won't really help. We're already stocked to the gills with defensive prospects from last years draft.

NEVER pass up an A-player for a B-player because of need.

|Mitch| · 04-19-2016, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What if there are only B-players left on defense when we pick, but several A-players on offense?

Considering this draft is a lot stronger defensively than offensively, I don't think that's a problem...

WillSaints81 · 04-19-2016, 07:27 PM

The advocate has already said WR is not at the top of the saints FO's draft plans.

WillSaints81 · 04-19-2016, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Saints identity has resulted in 2 consecutive 7-9 seasons out of the playoffs.

There is little correlation between additional offensive firepower, wins, and playoff success.

The last 2 years the Saints' offense was in the top 10 in every positive statistical category except rushing.

The last 2 years the Saints' defense was in the bottom 10,5,2, or 1 in every defensive category.

Take a look at the point for, against, differential, and record for the last 8 years:

Year PF PA PD Record
2015 408 476 -68 7-9
2014 401 424 -23 7-9
2013 414 304 110 11-5
2012 461 454 7 7-9
2011 547 339 208 13-3
2010 384 307 77 11-5
2009 510 341 169 13-3
2008 463 393 70 8-8

The correlation is between wins and points differential. Even in years where the offense scores a ton of points (2008,2012) the record was not real good. However each and every year the defense held their points down under 350 (which is 21.9 points per game) the team won more than 10 games and went to the playoffs.

If I have learned nothing else the last 2 years is that the team could not close out games because they couldn't make a stop when it was absolutely crucial. There is no offensive player in the draft that can change that.

SFIAH

But look at the dropoff in PF from 2013 on. Also the lowest scoring year was 2010 but that was a lot to do with Brees' injury. And that schedule was pretty bad.

The big question is if we have clutch receivers outside of Cooks to grind out games and I guess we'll see.

Beastmode · 04-19-2016, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

defense
defense
defense
defense
offensive line

The lines. Have to have lines that are no less than average. Brees can will us to about 7 W's, after that it's on the trenches to deliver the next 3-4 W's.

RaginCajun83 · 04-19-2016, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What if there are only B-players left on defense when we pick, but several A-players on offense?

B-prospects on defense won't really help. We're already stocked to the gills with defensive prospects from last years draft.

NEVER pass up an A-player for a B-player because of need.

That's not going to happen the first round of this draft, doubt it will until round 3 or 4, this draft if deep with defensive talent

Danno · 04-19-2016, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

That's not going to happen the first round of this draft, doubt it will until round 3 or 4, this draft if deep with defensive talent

I think you completely missed my point.

RaginCajun83 · 04-19-2016, 09:48 PM

I get it just don't see it being an issue until later in the draft

CheramieIII · 04-20-2016, 12:08 AM

Whatever they do I'll be happy. I think we have a very good starting Defense and definitely offense. Need some depth a DL, CB, guard and a replacement for Colston.

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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints defense defense defense defense offensive line SaintFanInATLHELL and Beastmode like this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 defense defense defense defense offensive line What if there are only B-players left on defense when we pick, but several A-players on offense? B-prospects on defense won't really help. We're already stocked to the gills with defensive prospects from last years draft. NEVER pass up an A-player for a B-player because of need.

04-19-2016, 06:55 PM	#13
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints Originally Posted by Danno What if there are only B-players left on defense when we pick, but several A-players on offense? Considering this draft is a lot stronger defensively than offensively, I don't think that's a problem... RaginCajun83 likes this.

04-19-2016, 07:27 PM	#14
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints The advocate has already said WR is not at the top of the saints FO's draft plans.

04-19-2016, 07:38 PM	#15
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Saints identity has resulted in 2 consecutive 7-9 seasons out of the playoffs. There is little correlation between additional offensive firepower, wins, and playoff success. The last 2 years the Saints' offense was in the top 10 in every positive statistical category except rushing. The last 2 years the Saints' defense was in the bottom 10,5,2, or 1 in every defensive category. Take a look at the point for, against, differential, and record for the last 8 years: Year PF PA PD Record 2015 408 476 -68 7-9 2014 401 424 -23 7-9 2013 414 304 110 11-5 2012 461 454 7 7-9 2011 547 339 208 13-3 2010 384 307 77 11-5 2009 510 341 169 13-3 2008 463 393 70 8-8 The correlation is between wins and points differential. Even in years where the offense scores a ton of points (2008,2012) the record was not real good. However each and every year the defense held their points down under 350 (which is 21.9 points per game) the team won more than 10 games and went to the playoffs. If I have learned nothing else the last 2 years is that the team could not close out games because they couldn't make a stop when it was absolutely crucial. There is no offensive player in the draft that can change that. SFIAH But look at the dropoff in PF from 2013 on. Also the lowest scoring year was 2010 but that was a lot to do with Brees' injury. And that schedule was pretty bad. The big question is if we have clutch receivers outside of Cooks to grind out games and I guess we'll see.

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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints Originally Posted by Danno What if there are only B-players left on defense when we pick, but several A-players on offense? B-prospects on defense won't really help. We're already stocked to the gills with defensive prospects from last years draft. NEVER pass up an A-player for a B-player because of need. That's not going to happen the first round of this draft, doubt it will until round 3 or 4, this draft if deep with defensive talent

04-19-2016, 09:20 PM	#18
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 That's not going to happen the first round of this draft, doubt it will until round 3 or 4, this draft if deep with defensive talent I think you completely missed my point. Sarik likes this.

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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints I get it just don't see it being an issue until later in the draft

04-20-2016, 12:08 AM	#20
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL Draft Needs: Saints Whatever they do I'll be happy. I think we have a very good starting Defense and definitely offense. Need some depth a DL, CB, guard and a replacement for Colston.

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