Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal

AsylumGuido · 04-28-2016, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

There should be more of a plan in place in terms of the draft. With the limits on what rookies can make, you should be able to ballpark an idea of what you'll be spending. Set a high water mark on what you would reasonably spend on the draft, and negotiate with your current players under those parameters. What's to stop Brees and management from going back and tweeking his deal a little bit, which ever direction, after the draft? I'm not aware of any rule that prohibits re-working a deal multiple times in an off season.

This is all assuming that they ever had an intention of signing any other free agents. If they ACTUALLY had no interest, then I think that's a mistake.

Why "retweak" when you can wait and know exactly what is needed, not to mention that all contracts have to get the approval of the league and I'm not sure how they look upon tweaking. And I have a feeling that if the Saints don't fill their needs through the draft that FA moves will be made.

burningmetal · 04-28-2016, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why "retweak" when you can wait and know exactly what is needed, not to mention that all contracts have to get the approval of the league and I'm not sure how they look upon tweaking. And I have a feeling that if the Saints don't fill their needs through the draft that FA moves will be made.

The answer to your question can be found in multiple posts that I've just made. It would have made sense in terms of being in play for more free agents. Now it doesn't really matter. There are guys out there, but not top shelf one's. I'm not talking about 100 million dollar guys. It would have been nice to make a play on someone like Derek Wolfe or Terrance Knighton.

By the way, I don't think the league has a problem with tweaking a deal. The Saints do it all the time.

AsylumGuido · 04-28-2016, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

The answer to your question can be found in multiple posts that I've just made. It would have made sense in terms of being in play for more free agents. Now it doesn't really matter. There are guys out there, but not top shelf one's. I'm not talking about 100 million dollar guys. It would have been nice to make a play on someone like Derek Wolfe or Terrance Knighton.

By the way, I don't think the league has a problem with tweaking a deal. The Saints do it all the time.

The Saints have never not been in play for a free agent. There was cap space available in other players that was exercised through extensions for the more common FA's and if a big one that they wanted had come into play they could have easily finalized the Brees deal earlier.

No, the Saints actually do not. What they do is exercise clauses written into the contracts such as converting roster bonuses into signing bonuses that can then be amortized. These can happen once per year in years that have the roster bonus stated. They also commonly work out extensions with players but these usually only happen once per contract in the final year. I can't remember a contract being renegotiated, or tweaked, at any other time. I'm not saying it has never happened, but I can't think of one.

burningmetal · 04-28-2016, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Saints have never not been in play for a free agent. There was cap space available in other players that was exercised through extensions for the more common FA's and if a big one that they wanted had come into play they could have easily finalized the Brees deal earlier.

No, the Saints actually do not. What they do is exercise clauses written into the contracts such as converting roster bonuses into signing bonuses that can then be amortized. These can happen once per year in years that have the roster bonus stated. They also commonly work out extensions with players but these usually only happen once per contract in the final year. I can't remember a contract being renegotiated, or tweaked, at any other time. I'm not saying it has never happened, but I can't think of one.

All of the roster and signing bonus type of deals are what I'm referring to. It doesn't really matter if it's in a clause, or agreed to at a later time and added in. That's no different than an extension, in principle. There are player and team options at the end of some contracts, but in the case of Drew's deal there is nothing stating that he or the team will have the option of extending his deal and spreading out the cap hit.

I know you don't see a "re-reworking", if you will, often. If ever. I'm just wondering why it can't be done, if it's such a big deal to the team to wait and see what happens after the draft. It's an honest question.

Also, I still would like to know why you are so confident that the Saints were in play for other free agents. If they were supposedly in play for Josh Norman, then they surely could have landed one of the others if it would have been so easy, as you suggest.

WillSaints81 · 04-28-2016, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

That's Osweiler's new contract with the Texans. He has started exactly 7 games ever with a 5-2 record.

SFIAH

Oh I thought you were talking about Luck.

K Major · 05-24-2016, 09:35 AM

Drew Brees won’t skip OTAs despite lack of contract extension | ProFootballTalk

hagan714 · 05-24-2016, 09:37 AM

so be it

jeanpierre · 05-24-2016, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Drew Brees won’t skip OTAs despite lack of contract extension | ProFootballTalk

Why should he? He is under contract that he and his agent negotiated, signed...

Brees has put up astounding numbers, even skewed to today's game, and has been compensated for it.

But I have more confidence in Coach Payton's offensive schemes, system than I do with the quarterback...

Need I remind anyone that Luke McCown nearly beat the SuperBowl runnerups in their own house? With the same team Brees also led?

Brees goes to another team, he's no where near the quarterback he is with Coach Payton running the offense...

vpheughan · 05-24-2016, 11:12 AM

What part of "Contract" don't they understand?

QBREES9 · 05-25-2016, 12:29 AM

A deal will get done.

04-28-2016, 01:30 PM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal Originally Posted by burningmetal There should be more of a plan in place in terms of the draft. With the limits on what rookies can make, you should be able to ballpark an idea of what you'll be spending. Set a high water mark on what you would reasonably spend on the draft, and negotiate with your current players under those parameters. What's to stop Brees and management from going back and tweeking his deal a little bit, which ever direction, after the draft? I'm not aware of any rule that prohibits re-working a deal multiple times in an off season. This is all assuming that they ever had an intention of signing any other free agents. If they ACTUALLY had no interest, then I think that's a mistake. Why "retweak" when you can wait and know exactly what is needed, not to mention that all contracts have to get the approval of the league and I'm not sure how they look upon tweaking. And I have a feeling that if the Saints don't fill their needs through the draft that FA moves will be made.

04-28-2016, 01:37 PM	#22
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why "retweak" when you can wait and know exactly what is needed, not to mention that all contracts have to get the approval of the league and I'm not sure how they look upon tweaking. And I have a feeling that if the Saints don't fill their needs through the draft that FA moves will be made. The answer to your question can be found in multiple posts that I've just made. It would have made sense in terms of being in play for more free agents. Now it doesn't really matter. There are guys out there, but not top shelf one's. I'm not talking about 100 million dollar guys. It would have been nice to make a play on someone like Derek Wolfe or Terrance Knighton. By the way, I don't think the league has a problem with tweaking a deal. The Saints do it all the time.

04-28-2016, 01:58 PM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal Originally Posted by burningmetal The answer to your question can be found in multiple posts that I've just made. It would have made sense in terms of being in play for more free agents. Now it doesn't really matter. There are guys out there, but not top shelf one's. I'm not talking about 100 million dollar guys. It would have been nice to make a play on someone like Derek Wolfe or Terrance Knighton. By the way, I don't think the league has a problem with tweaking a deal. The Saints do it all the time. The Saints have never not been in play for a free agent. There was cap space available in other players that was exercised through extensions for the more common FA's and if a big one that they wanted had come into play they could have easily finalized the Brees deal earlier. No, the Saints actually do not. What they do is exercise clauses written into the contracts such as converting roster bonuses into signing bonuses that can then be amortized. These can happen once per year in years that have the roster bonus stated. They also commonly work out extensions with players but these usually only happen once per contract in the final year. I can't remember a contract being renegotiated, or tweaked, at any other time. I'm not saying it has never happened, but I can't think of one.

04-28-2016, 02:09 PM	#24
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Saints have never not been in play for a free agent. There was cap space available in other players that was exercised through extensions for the more common FA's and if a big one that they wanted had come into play they could have easily finalized the Brees deal earlier. No, the Saints actually do not. What they do is exercise clauses written into the contracts such as converting roster bonuses into signing bonuses that can then be amortized. These can happen once per year in years that have the roster bonus stated. They also commonly work out extensions with players but these usually only happen once per contract in the final year. I can't remember a contract being renegotiated, or tweaked, at any other time. I'm not saying it has never happened, but I can't think of one. All of the roster and signing bonus type of deals are what I'm referring to. It doesn't really matter if it's in a clause, or agreed to at a later time and added in. That's no different than an extension, in principle. There are player and team options at the end of some contracts, but in the case of Drew's deal there is nothing stating that he or the team will have the option of extending his deal and spreading out the cap hit. I know you don't see a "re-reworking", if you will, often. If ever. I'm just wondering why it can't be done, if it's such a big deal to the team to wait and see what happens after the draft. It's an honest question. Also, I still would like to know why you are so confident that the Saints were in play for other free agents. If they were supposedly in play for Josh Norman, then they surely could have landed one of the others if it would have been so easy, as you suggest.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-28-2016, 05:14 PM	#25
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL That's Osweiler's new contract with the Texans. He has started exactly 7 games ever with a 5-2 record. SFIAH Oh I thought you were talking about Luck.

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05-24-2016, 09:35 AM	#26
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal Originally Posted by K Major Drew Brees won’t skip OTAs despite lack of contract extension \| ProFootballTalk Why should he? He is under contract that he and his agent negotiated, signed... Brees has put up astounding numbers, even skewed to today's game, and has been compensated for it. But I have more confidence in Coach Payton's offensive schemes, system than I do with the quarterback... Need I remind anyone that Luke McCown nearly beat the SuperBowl runnerups in their own house? With the same team Brees also led? Brees goes to another team, he's no where near the quarterback he is with Coach Payton running the offense...

05-24-2016, 11:12 AM	#29
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,520	Re: Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal What part of "Contract" don't they understand?
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05-25-2016, 12:29 AM	#30
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Drew Brees prefers extension, but is ready to play out current deal A deal will get done.