I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year

Danno · 05-02-2016, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Seriously? Bruce Arians vs Chuck Pagano, Sean Payton vs Mike Smith...

Why do some players thrive with some coaches, tank with a new coach, sign a FA contract with old coach and have comeback player of the year type seasons?!?

Coaches have every bit to do with the success of a team as a player taking care of his health, having a good work ethic and keeping a positive mental attitude...

Seriously.

halloween 65 · 05-02-2016, 08:17 PM

I agree about coaching. Only way backups become stars. Without it the best players out there can do nothing. Buying into a system means alot. Selling one does to.And having a team of good coaches is key. We drafted well enough, addressed the D front with 2 picks( i think both can be nasty) got a S for the backfield and added a veteran ILB in FA to call plays. And the IR guys coming back. Now with this (paper) we see how these coaches do. Might get interesting?

The Dude · 05-02-2016, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I agree about coaching. Only way backups become stars. Without it the best players out there can do nothing. Buying into a system means alot. Selling one does to.And having a team of good coaches is key. We drafted well enough, addressed the D front with 2 picks( i think both can be nasty) got a S for the backfield and added a veteran ILB in FA to call plays. And the IR guys coming back. Now with this (paper) we see how these coaches do. Might get interesting?

When we see the IR list going into the season.

Euphoria · 05-02-2016, 09:14 PM

I just don't see drafting a position just for drafting a position...

If you have players rated that are higher even if they are a RB you take the RB over the guard.

A interesting to point is that there were OG's rated has high by some in the 4th round and 32 teams past on them not once but 3 plus times and we got them as UDFA. So either they were right and so were we for not drafting them and just getting them as UDFA.

AsylumGuido · 05-02-2016, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I just don't see drafting a position just for drafting a position...

If you have players rated that are higher even if they are a RB you take the RB over the guard.

A interesting to point is that there were OG's rated has high by some in the 4th round and 32 teams past on them not once but 3 plus times and we got them as UDFA. So either they were right and so were we for not drafting them and just getting them as UDFA.

You just gave a perfect example of the economic principle of supply and demand. Why pay a certain price for a commodity that is abundant when you can spend the same amount on a different commodity that you may not need as badly, but is much harder to find? You can always pick up an example of the more abundant commodity later for a lessor price.

While the Saints may have had guard at a high priority, the combination of the abundance of guards available and the overall lack of demand across the rest of the league gave them the opportunity to get what they needed at a far lower risk.

jeanpierre · 05-03-2016, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You just gave a perfect example of the economic principle of supply and demand. Why pay a certain price for a commodity that is abundant when you can spend the same amount on a different commodity that you may not need as badly, but is much harder to find? You can always pick up an example of the more abundant commodity later for a lessor price.

While the Saints may have had guard at a high priority, the combination of the abundance of guards available and the overall lack of demand across the rest of the league gave them the opportunity to get what they needed at a far lower risk.

So, by that rationale, why did we take an interior defensive tackle in the first when we could have taken a WR like Treadwell or Doctson in the first, taken Jarran Reed in the second round, or just taken Vonn Bell in the second (limited Safeties and apparently we have greater need than realized) and taken a interior lineman in the third round?

Some fine interior linemen were still available as late as the fifth round...

WillSaints81 · 05-03-2016, 09:00 PM

Coaching has a bigger effect in the NFL than other sports. NBA not so much with teams with divas.

CharityMike · 05-03-2016, 09:19 PM

For fun I went back and found what the consensus was on our 2006 draft. Its pretty funny. Read the responses. Just proves that we are all on this forum and not with a football organization for a reason. (I'm looking at you Hagan..LOL)

http://blackandgold.com/saints/12598...valuation.html

AsylumGuido · 05-04-2016, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So, by that rationale, why did we take an interior defensive tackle in the first when we could have taken a WR like Treadwell or Doctson in the first, taken Jarran Reed in the second round, or just taken Vonn Bell in the second (limited Safeties and apparently we have greater need than realized) and taken a interior lineman in the third round?

Some fine interior linemen were still available as late as the fifth round...

Obviously his individual grade in their minds made him worth it. He was certainly worth more to them than all three that you mentioned. I wasn't there, of course, when they spent who knows how many hours and days compiling their list. I'll bet his upbringing and willingness to work played a major factor. The kid appears to have his priorities straight. He's the type of player that could make others around him better just by example.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,725	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year Originally Posted by jeanpierre Seriously? Bruce Arians vs Chuck Pagano, Sean Payton vs Mike Smith... Why do some players thrive with some coaches, tank with a new coach, sign a FA contract with old coach and have comeback player of the year type seasons?!? Coaches have every bit to do with the success of a team as a player taking care of his health, having a good work ethic and keeping a positive mental attitude... Seriously.

05-02-2016, 08:17 PM	#12
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year I agree about coaching. Only way backups become stars. Without it the best players out there can do nothing. Buying into a system means alot. Selling one does to.And having a team of good coaches is key. We drafted well enough, addressed the D front with 2 picks( i think both can be nasty) got a S for the backfield and added a veteran ILB in FA to call plays. And the IR guys coming back. Now with this (paper) we see how these coaches do. Might get interesting?

05-02-2016, 08:58 PM	#13
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year Originally Posted by halloween 65 I agree about coaching. Only way backups become stars. Without it the best players out there can do nothing. Buying into a system means alot. Selling one does to.And having a team of good coaches is key. We drafted well enough, addressed the D front with 2 picks( i think both can be nasty) got a S for the backfield and added a veteran ILB in FA to call plays. And the IR guys coming back. Now with this (paper) we see how these coaches do. Might get interesting? When we see the IR list going into the season.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year I just don't see drafting a position just for drafting a position... If you have players rated that are higher even if they are a RB you take the RB over the guard. A interesting to point is that there were OG's rated has high by some in the 4th round and 32 teams past on them not once but 3 plus times and we got them as UDFA. So either they were right and so were we for not drafting them and just getting them as UDFA.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year Originally Posted by Euphoria I just don't see drafting a position just for drafting a position... If you have players rated that are higher even if they are a RB you take the RB over the guard. A interesting to point is that there were OG's rated has high by some in the 4th round and 32 teams past on them not once but 3 plus times and we got them as UDFA. So either they were right and so were we for not drafting them and just getting them as UDFA. You just gave a perfect example of the economic principle of supply and demand. Why pay a certain price for a commodity that is abundant when you can spend the same amount on a different commodity that you may not need as badly, but is much harder to find? You can always pick up an example of the more abundant commodity later for a lessor price. While the Saints may have had guard at a high priority, the combination of the abundance of guards available and the overall lack of demand across the rest of the league gave them the opportunity to get what they needed at a far lower risk.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You just gave a perfect example of the economic principle of supply and demand. Why pay a certain price for a commodity that is abundant when you can spend the same amount on a different commodity that you may not need as badly, but is much harder to find? You can always pick up an example of the more abundant commodity later for a lessor price. While the Saints may have had guard at a high priority, the combination of the abundance of guards available and the overall lack of demand across the rest of the league gave them the opportunity to get what they needed at a far lower risk. So, by that rationale, why did we take an interior defensive tackle in the first when we could have taken a WR like Treadwell or Doctson in the first, taken Jarran Reed in the second round, or just taken Vonn Bell in the second (limited Safeties and apparently we have greater need than realized) and taken a interior lineman in the third round? Some fine interior linemen were still available as late as the fifth round...

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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year Coaching has a bigger effect in the NFL than other sports. NBA not so much with teams with divas.

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CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year For fun I went back and found what the consensus was on our 2006 draft. Its pretty funny. Read the responses. Just proves that we are all on this forum and not with a football organization for a reason. (I'm looking at you Hagan..LOL) http://blackandgold.com/saints/12598...valuation.html Danno, AsylumGuido, SASaintsfan and 1 others like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year Originally Posted by jeanpierre So, by that rationale, why did we take an interior defensive tackle in the first when we could have taken a WR like Treadwell or Doctson in the first, taken Jarran Reed in the second round, or just taken Vonn Bell in the second (limited Safeties and apparently we have greater need than realized) and taken a interior lineman in the third round? Some fine interior linemen were still available as late as the fifth round... Obviously his individual grade in their minds made him worth it. He was certainly worth more to them than all three that you mentioned. I wasn't there, of course, when they spent who knows how many hours and days compiling their list. I'll bet his upbringing and willingness to work played a major factor. The kid appears to have his priorities straight. He's the type of player that could make others around him better just by example.

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