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http://prosportsdaily.com/nfl/saints/rumors.html

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This guy is a good player. Looks like Kendal Jacox goes to the bench. That is if we sign Mayberry. Now we need an offensive tackle...

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this just seems kinda odd to me.

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Why the hell do we want this guy? Are we suffering from sign anybodyitis???? :mad2:

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Granted, it\'s not the highest on the list of needs. But, the inside of the line will be exceptional with Le\' Charles, Holland, and Mayberry. I want us to be as dominant on the offensive line as possible. And this is a good start.

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there might be more to the master plan than we know. a three defensive end line... maybe a three guard O line. or move bentley back and go 4 guards, there\'s some thinking going on i can tell.

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unless there are some trades taht will go down..looks like the only master plan is how to buy a bigger yacht.

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I know you\'re only joking, but as hard as it is for you to be positive about much, we would be aquiring a pro-bowl offensive guard. One that played on an exceptional Eagles offensive line and one who just played in a super bowl.

The guy is good!

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If he isn\'t going to cost the earth then I can get behind a savvy veteran in the huddle. Truth be told our O-line was abysmal last year, those penalties killed more drives than you might imagine. Sure alot of them happened on first down :casstet: but it took the running game out of the equation. So I say get a veteran guard, but don\'t cry poor when it comes to finding an OT which is a higher priority.

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Maybe I am the only one who saw this:

That does not mean it is getting better, and he is an older player. He is Wayne Gandy on the inside of the line. Dumb move.

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I think we have much bigger needs than G to go after. Depending on the size of the contract I don\'t think I\'ll be too upset if we sign him. The middle of the line got better late in the season but early on it was awful. Some stability and veteran leadership couldn\'t hurt.

btw, scout.com has him as the 5th ranked G available.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=196&p=9...&lnid=83&pid=6

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31 is not old for an offensive guard. And he made the probowl in 2002 and was an alternate last year. I wouldn\'t go believing every single thing you hear about a player on the net. I betcha I can go find an article that says just the opposite about Mayberry. How did he make the probowl for 2 years?

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with the dismal attempts at screens last year they may be thinking he won\'t have any need to worry about doing that. age 32 and sign for 3-4 years not prudent? c\'mon, he was all-pro once three years ago. also he has a frozen treats shop called \"J Berries\" in his offseason home of Austin, TX. The shop serves water ice, gelatis and smoothies. Mayberry also sponsors scholarships to local high school students through the shop.

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Cause his QB is D. McNabb. Did you see him run around for 14 seconds against the Cowboys and still make a play? If he comes here, his QB will be :censored: and we don\'t need another slow immobile guy on the line. Plus, Maybe we can go after the 5th rated guy at every position we don\'t need immediate help for. Should improve our team exponentially.

[Edited on 3/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

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Come on dude. I know you\'re depressed \'cause we haven\'t signed some of the players that you want. But, Mayberry did not make the probowl because of McNabb. If it worked that way, every player on Mike Vick\'s offensive line would be in the probowl.

The guys is a definate upgrade over Jacox who struggled last year.

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whodi, you\'re certain he\'s not better than Jacox? That\'s the real question.

Obviously, we wouldn\'t replace every position with the 5th ranked player available and expect to get better. That\'s almost too absurd a statement to be worth a retort. Even though G isn\'t a \"need\", if it can be improved there\'s nothing wrong with looking there.

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is he able to play tackle..is that thier thoughts?

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We don\'t need a guard and Jacox almost made it to the Probowl 2 years ago when Fotenot was still here. He had one off year. We need to put out money for a tackle, not a guard. Wahle is about to be off the market and others are getting signed fast. Typical Saints offseason if you ask me. Go sign an average free agent and hype him up as the steal of the offseason.

It\'s also very easy to develop guards compared to tackles. We can draft anyone btw round 5-7 and they could be starters. Look at all these top notch guards in the league, lots of them are lower round picks. We still have Stinchcomb on the bench also.

[Edited on 3/3/2005 by papz]

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they backed off on fred miller cuz he wanted too much money (i wasn\'t disappointed). he was ranked #21 on pasquerelli\'s top 32 ufa list. mayberry (not on the list) might be closer to the loomis budget plan. if i was betting i would say he\'ll be too spendy for them too.

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Right. If Stinchy can\'t even play RT yet, he\'ll never play LT. Nice move guys.

In the Q&A chat, the name Stockar McDougle (Lions) was heard as a possible RT. I guess only time will tell.

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Thanks papz, right on.

Gumbo, if you are implying that Vick is the QB McNabb is, well whatever. Mayberry is not even close to the best guard available, he is 31, and 5th ranked of all free agent guards. Paps hit it right on, you can draft a G and develop him and we would be better off, and paying less. And yes he made it cause of McNabb again. Someone from that line had to make it. Vick gets sacked as much as anyone else, unlike McNabb. Plus 2 years ago, wasn\'t Vick hurt and the team like 5-11 or something?Sems like you wouldn\'t have a pro-bowler from a team like that.

Scotty, obviously the sarcasm of what I said was wasted on you. Nice job. Hhhhmmm, seems like that was said about another position and met with angry retorts. \"We don\'t need to look there, we have other needs and such.\" \"It\'s dumb to think about looking at that position when we have so many other holes.\" My my.

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I dont think he is a big upgrade. It would be nice to upgrade instead of attempting to sign anybody.

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don\'t get upset FV, you said it, \"attempting to sign\". this guy is on the high end after fred miller on their list. probably end up with someone with a catchier name and cheaper price... Tupe Peko Indy UFA

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I know... but our biggest need is OT, wait....could SUlly be an upgrade over Rliey?

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It\'s amazing for me to hear folks talk about a 2-time probowl offensive guard that way. The guy was an alternate in the probowl in 2004 and played int the probowl in 2002.

It\'s also amazing for me to hear that some folks think good offensive guard grow on trees.

Kendal Jacox is nowhere near the player Mayberry is. For the most part, the inside of our line didn\'t open up any holes for Deuce. And Deuce ran almost exclusively up the middle. I don\'t know what happened to Jacox last year, but he sucked.

Pure and simple, it\'s a definate upgrade.

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Its typical of the \"we suck and always will\" crowd. It really doesn\'t matter who we talk to, who we have in to visit, or who we eventually sign, there will be many that will blast that player with every possible negative their exhaustive little searches discover, while ignoring every positive. I\'ve seen it time and time again. And every player we don\'t sign, just the opposite will happen.
Its the typical saint\'s fans M.O.

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from neworleansprofootbal.com-

Big, tough lineman for the Eagles will visit New Orleans. Mayberry, 31, was a first round pick of the Eagles in 1996 and made the Pro Bowl in 2002. The Saints are looking for a dominant run blocker to replace Victor Riley. A dominant run blocker but a mediocre pass blocker and limited in space, he may not fit in at tackle at this point in his career but would be a great veteran option off the bench at guard where Kendyl Jacox and Montrae Holland have missed some time with injury. Mayberry himself has seen his share of injuries recently and was not a full time starter in 2003.

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Yeah, that certainly sounds like a guy you should get excited about. Especially this part:

This move should turn us right around. Why should anyone be skeptical?

Oh yes, I am sold. This is the guy we need. Why would anyone question this move? Screw LBs, Dts, Ts. We don;t need that. A backup guard is the key.

Very interesting coming from the guy who kicked anyone who didn\'t wanna talk about LB as our biggest and most important need.

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It\'s also amazing for me to hear that some folks think good offensive guard grow on trees.

Go do you homework on offensive guards in this league, and you\'d be surprised Gumbo... VERY SURPRISED. If I\'m correct the top guards Rivera and Wahle were lower round picks and look at the contracts they just signed. Look at Holland a 4th round pick and you aren\'t complaining about him. Todd McClure, former LSU Tiger was a lower round pick and starting for Atlanta. Trust me, I can go on and on with this one... but I will probably be late for work if I do.

2003 New Orleans Saints 351 1641 4.7 76 8 16(20+ yards carries) 69 (longest run)

Aren\'t these ProBowl numbers? Wait didn\'t Bentley, Holland, and Jacox start on this line? Didn\'t Deuce while injured this year still have a 4 yards per carry and 1000 yards rushing with this same line? :o

In other words, let\'s go dish out a 20 million plus contract for an offensive guard. Because obviously it\'s been proven that our center-guard combo is completely worthless. I mean why go sign a stud left/right tackle when we can have 4 guards starting at the same time.

It\'s also is amazing when guys have one bad year, ala Trotter, Jacox or whoever, people write them off. Then they rebound and make everyone look like dummies. It\'s also amazing that when guys have one good year ala Antonio Pierce and a rebounding Trotter, people are all over the bandwagon.

And when we talk about veteran leadership on our line, then why did we get rid of Fotenot? Didn\'t we sign a vet the other year by the name of Wayne Gandy? Where has his leadership or skill led us?

Why are we talking about guards anyways? I rather spend money on other positions on this team. We\'ve been complaining for months about getting a safety, linebacker, offensive tackle, and a DT... why are we arguing about a 31 year old guard that we don\'t even need? :casstet:

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Exactly why Danno\'s post was the most shocking to me in this thread. He hammered me about talking about positions other than defense repeatedly, and now he is railing on those unsatisfied with this crap move. Danno, any insight as to why this is?

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Here\'s the thing guys....

This thread is about Mayberry. While I understand some of you need to vent because you want the money spent somewhere else than OG ... we don\'t need to hear it every thread. It\'s old, tired, and we heard you in 20 other threads. This suff is cluttering up the board and it\'s getting hard to find some good thoughts on just about anything.

I\'m not talking to everyone .... ;)

Mayberry didn\'t play in every game last year, but it was because of this\":

Mayberry was the starter and he\'s a 2-time probowl offensive guard who hasn\'t ever had a serious injury!

All this stuff about him coming off the bench sounds like complete BS to me. You guys hang on ANYTHING that ANYONE writes negative about any player we think of bringing in here.

But, carry on...

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we need to get younger and better and not make lateral moves..that is their point gumbo.

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It\'s not that simple Danno. It\'s that the team NEVER seems to go after the best players available, which is HIGHLY confusing. The players they do sign are seemingly not positions of need(confusing)and no where near the caliber of the highly sought after FAs. If it was one year it would be one thing but this is the Saints M.O. I think most fans are tired of the blind optimism that the team tries to sell us.

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An OG?!?!? GREAT!!! That was on my list of needs ranked just below \'hole in the head\' and just above \'2nd beer truck driver\'!!! Look:

1. HC
2. DC
3. GM
4. SLB
5. OT
6. WLB
7. DT
8. OC
9. S (F or S)
10. MLB
11. CB
12. S (other)
13. WR
14. QB (Future/challenger)
15. TE
16. RB (Backup)
17. DT (Depth)
18. New Stadium
19. New grounds crew at the Metairie Practice Facility
20. Pat Swilling to come out of retirement
21. A BMW Award for every backwards pass thrown
22. A Rib Eating Contest for the D-line after every practice
23. Hole in the Head
24. OG
25. 2nd Beer Truck Driver

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So basically this guard is gonna help our 32nd ranked defense how? How high was G on the list of team needs EVERYONE listed before free agency started? Mayberry is a crap move, but of course you love it, the Saints can do no wrong. When free agency is over and we have noone signed for our 32nd ranked defense you will be the first to start a thread on Mayberry\'s uselessness. It will go like this:

[Edited on 3/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

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No, that\'s not thier point. Their point is we need to get a linebacker or something and this shows the Saints are complete idiots for thinking about getting an OG.

Also, we don\'t need to get \"younger\", we need to get \"better\" on the offensive line.

Kendyl Jacox was \"marginal\" at best, and Mayberry is an upgrade. It can be \"spun\" any way you want. But, I ain\'t buying it.. ;)

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i have tried to make some regular threads such as Free Agent Buzz Monday, Tuesday, Draft or Trade Ideas for general commentary or reference threads for all draft links and basic information. it doesnt seem to work. people still like to start a thread on every player that has a news blurb daily or take off on team philosophies or rants within those threads. so i give and reply the same as it was addressed to me, hey, i don\'t see that you are a moderator.

i believe in real team building ala the pats. cold hearted business- letting an andruzzi, phifer, law, brown, etc. go. cap management is essential to success. but there is a window of opportunity that teams have to \"go for it\' within the wiset and most prudent approaches. the saints have squandered some of those years and the window will be closing. at best they have another yearor two left, maybe not. if they do not push aggressively in approach of play AND in personnel moves that window could close this year and we won\'t be talking about trading up for a top 5 draft pick but own one. just my two cents.

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LKelley67 --

You ain\'t telling me nothing you, or a bunch of folks, haven\'t said 1000-times. Maybe some of you don\'t think eveyone is hearing you in the 30 other threads that are going on.

For the record:

1. I\'ve heard you guys say we don\'t ever sign anyone in FA.
2. Haslett sucks.
3. Loomis sucks.
4. Venturi sucks.
5. We need linebackers
6. We need a tackle.
7. History shows we won\'t get anybody.
8. We need to concentrate on defense.
9. I\'ve watched them do this year after year.
10. We\'re just not like other teams.


How MANY times do some of you need to get these points accross?

I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. LMAO!! :P




[Edited on 3/3/2005 by GumboBC]

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Kelly67 I\'m sure your efforts are appreciated by most on this board, but seeing what other teams are doing does nothing but spark resentment about our own team. Maybe if our team was actually an intergral part of free agency or if they actually had a good draft now and then members of this board wouldn\'t get so emotional all the time. The threads do nothing but remind us how inept our team as a whole really is. Venting is healthy though.

I personally enjoy and read the threads. Keep them coming!

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Me too LK. I find them both interesting and informative. Keep them coming.