Garrett Grayson's poise, control showing improvement in second season

jnormand · 06-04-2016, 03:01 PM

Guido, I respect your opinion, whether I agree or not. But good hell man, can't you do the same for others? Some people think Brees puts the team in a bad spot sometimes. It doesn't mean they hate him. And to be Frank, your opinion is truly that. Yours. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they are wrong and your opinion is fact and correct. By your logic, "none of us know anything" unless we were privyed to the actual situation. So... everyone has an opinion about something they don't know all the facts about. Argue if you want, but you'll not convince everyone you're right. And you may seem a bit pompous to some in attempting to do so.

AsylumGuido · 06-04-2016, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Guido, I respect your opinion, whether I agree or not. But good hell man, can't you do the same for others? Some people think Brees puts the team in a bad spot sometimes. It doesn't mean they hate him. And to be Frank, your opinion is truly that. Yours. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they are wrong and your opinion is fact and correct. By your logic, "none of us know anything" unless we were privyed to the actual situation. So... everyone has an opinion about something they don't know all the facts about. Argue if you want, but you'll not convince everyone you're right. And you may seem a bit pompous to some in attempting to do so.

I am sorry, but I cannot respect, and refuse to respect, the opinion of anyone that continues to put the blame on Brees for anything when he has done nothing but be the best Saint ever on and off the field. He is blamed for personnel moves that are solely on the front office. He has no responsibility to forfeit anything he has earned to cover for the incompetence of the management. Place the blame where it belongs and not on the one individual that finally has made our Saints relevant.

How soon we forget. How shallow we are. Hell no I am not going to respect those idiotic opinions. Call me an ******* or whatever. I really don't care.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-04-2016, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Guido, I respect your opinion, whether I agree or not. But good hell man, can't you do the same for others? Some people think Brees puts the team in a bad spot sometimes. It doesn't mean they hate him. And to be Frank, your opinion is truly that. Yours. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they are wrong and your opinion is fact and correct. By your logic, "none of us know anything" unless we were privyed to the actual situation. So... everyone has an opinion about something they don't know all the facts about. Argue if you want, but you'll not convince everyone you're right. And you may seem a bit pompous to some in attempting to do so.

The problem is that often that opinion isn't based in fact. Often it is based in the fanatical (hence the term fan) belief that the team must trump being professional, taking care of one's family, or simply doing one's job for fair pay.
It is a fan's perspective that has no basis in reality.

Guido's opinion, and mine, do in fact belong to us. The difference is that almost each and every time they are offered, there are accompanying facts to go along with them.

A famous phrase goes "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, no one is entitled to their own facts."

Both the opinion that Brees needs to take a short depressed contract extension and that Grayson is the next coming simply do not have any basis in fact. Brees is an elite HOF QB. There are 10 years of stats, including last year, that support that fact. The recent contracts of top 5 QBs and the current value of the QB franchise tag supports the fact that the elite QB market in 2016/2017 is near $25 million a year.

The is not one shred of supporting evidence about Grayson as a starting NFL QB.

It seems all that Guido is asking, and IMHO I agree, is exactly what is the logic in Brees signing (and I believe it's a quote that I saw) "a two year contract at $20 million/year" or that the Saints will in fact not miss a beat if Brees is gone because Grayson is looking better?

SFIAH

dizzle88 · 06-05-2016, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The problem is that often that opinion isn't based in fact. Often it is based in the fanatical (hence the term fan) belief that the team must trump being professional, taking care of one's family, or simply doing one's job for fair pay.
It is a fan's perspective that has no basis in reality.

Guido's opinion, and mine, do in fact belong to us. The difference is that almost each and every time they are offered, there are accompanying facts to go along with them.

A famous phrase goes "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, no one is entitled to their own facts."

Both the opinion that Brees needs to take a short depressed contract extension and that Grayson is the next coming simply do not have any basis in fact. Brees is an elite HOF QB. There are 10 years of stats, including last year, that support that fact. The recent contracts of top 5 QBs and the current value of the QB franchise tag supports the fact that the elite QB market in 2016/2017 is near $25 million a year.

The is not one shred of supporting evidence about Grayson as a starting NFL QB.

It seems all that Guido is asking, and IMHO I agree, is exactly what is the logic in Brees signing (and I believe it's a quote that I saw) "a two year contract at $20 million/year" or that the Saints will in fact not miss a beat if Brees is gone because Grayson is looking better?

SFIAH

However Guido does not offer facts, my own personal experience from yesterday shows he just tells people they are wrong whilst giving his own opinion and saying it is a fact.

So whilst my opinion may not be right, it is mine and it's not fair to attack Users for their opinions, especially when none of us - including Guido, have real evidence to back it up.

We are all working off our own opinions, but it's completely unfair to dismiss someone because they don't share the same views - especially when I never once said I hated Brees, I love the guy and what he's done for our team.

06-04-2016, 03:01 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,761	Re: Garrett Grayson's poise, control showing improvement in second season Guido, I respect your opinion, whether I agree or not. But good hell man, can't you do the same for others? Some people think Brees puts the team in a bad spot sometimes. It doesn't mean they hate him. And to be Frank, your opinion is truly that. Yours. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they are wrong and your opinion is fact and correct. By your logic, "none of us know anything" unless we were privyed to the actual situation. So... everyone has an opinion about something they don't know all the facts about. Argue if you want, but you'll not convince everyone you're right. And you may seem a bit pompous to some in attempting to do so. dizzle88 likes this.

06-04-2016, 03:13 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Garrett Grayson's poise, control showing improvement in second season Originally Posted by jnormand Guido, I respect your opinion, whether I agree or not. But good hell man, can't you do the same for others? Some people think Brees puts the team in a bad spot sometimes. It doesn't mean they hate him. And to be Frank, your opinion is truly that. Yours. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they are wrong and your opinion is fact and correct. By your logic, "none of us know anything" unless we were privyed to the actual situation. So... everyone has an opinion about something they don't know all the facts about. Argue if you want, but you'll not convince everyone you're right. And you may seem a bit pompous to some in attempting to do so. I am sorry, but I cannot respect, and refuse to respect, the opinion of anyone that continues to put the blame on Brees for anything when he has done nothing but be the best Saint ever on and off the field. He is blamed for personnel moves that are solely on the front office. He has no responsibility to forfeit anything he has earned to cover for the incompetence of the management. Place the blame where it belongs and not on the one individual that finally has made our Saints relevant. How soon we forget. How shallow we are. Hell no I am not going to respect those idiotic opinions. Call me an ******* or whatever. I really don't care. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

06-04-2016, 11:08 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Garrett Grayson's poise, control showing improvement in second season Originally Posted by jnormand Guido, I respect your opinion, whether I agree or not. But good hell man, can't you do the same for others? Some people think Brees puts the team in a bad spot sometimes. It doesn't mean they hate him. And to be Frank, your opinion is truly that. Yours. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they are wrong and your opinion is fact and correct. By your logic, "none of us know anything" unless we were privyed to the actual situation. So... everyone has an opinion about something they don't know all the facts about. Argue if you want, but you'll not convince everyone you're right. And you may seem a bit pompous to some in attempting to do so. The problem is that often that opinion isn't based in fact. Often it is based in the fanatical (hence the term fan) belief that the team must trump being professional, taking care of one's family, or simply doing one's job for fair pay. It is a fan's perspective that has no basis in reality. Guido's opinion, and mine, do in fact belong to us. The difference is that almost each and every time they are offered, there are accompanying facts to go along with them. A famous phrase goes "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, no one is entitled to their own facts." Both the opinion that Brees needs to take a short depressed contract extension and that Grayson is the next coming simply do not have any basis in fact. Brees is an elite HOF QB. There are 10 years of stats, including last year, that support that fact. The recent contracts of top 5 QBs and the current value of the QB franchise tag supports the fact that the elite QB market in 2016/2017 is near $25 million a year. The is not one shred of supporting evidence about Grayson as a starting NFL QB. It seems all that Guido is asking, and IMHO I agree, is exactly what is the logic in Brees signing (and I believe it's a quote that I saw) "a two year contract at $20 million/year" or that the Saints will in fact not miss a beat if Brees is gone because Grayson is looking better? SFIAH
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06-05-2016, 06:38 AM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Garrett Grayson's poise, control showing improvement in second season Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The problem is that often that opinion isn't based in fact. Often it is based in the fanatical (hence the term fan) belief that the team must trump being professional, taking care of one's family, or simply doing one's job for fair pay. It is a fan's perspective that has no basis in reality. Guido's opinion, and mine, do in fact belong to us. The difference is that almost each and every time they are offered, there are accompanying facts to go along with them. A famous phrase goes "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, no one is entitled to their own facts." Both the opinion that Brees needs to take a short depressed contract extension and that Grayson is the next coming simply do not have any basis in fact. Brees is an elite HOF QB. There are 10 years of stats, including last year, that support that fact. The recent contracts of top 5 QBs and the current value of the QB franchise tag supports the fact that the elite QB market in 2016/2017 is near $25 million a year. The is not one shred of supporting evidence about Grayson as a starting NFL QB. It seems all that Guido is asking, and IMHO I agree, is exactly what is the logic in Brees signing (and I believe it's a quote that I saw) "a two year contract at $20 million/year" or that the Saints will in fact not miss a beat if Brees is gone because Grayson is looking better? SFIAH However Guido does not offer facts, my own personal experience from yesterday shows he just tells people they are wrong whilst giving his own opinion and saying it is a fact. So whilst my opinion may not be right, it is mine and it's not fair to attack Users for their opinions, especially when none of us - including Guido, have real evidence to back it up. We are all working off our own opinions, but it's completely unfair to dismiss someone because they don't share the same views - especially when I never once said I hated Brees, I love the guy and what he's done for our team. 44Champs likes this.
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