'Quarterbacking robot' Drew Brees deserves to get paid, Zach Strief says on radio

06-06-2016, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Yes-
the newer contracts will continue to set the bar, just as Brees' did 4 years ago (as did a Vikings DB yesterday). Two points though- all of the QB's 1-9 are younger, and the dollar difference between 1-10 is only $2.2 million per year.
Should the oldest guy on the list get $25 m per, just because he is up for a new contract? Condon would say yes, but he also has Eli and Ryan to worry about.

I don't disagree with that assessment. That's the challenge for the Saints. The real problem isn't Condon. The real problem is that there are teams out there that would happily pay it. I keep trying to think of the last time a UFA QB of Brees' caliber was healthy and on the open market. Manning was coming off an injury when released from Indy. Farve had retired then unretired and then traded from Green Bay to the Jets. Does anyone have anything close to an example?

I would be thrilled if Brees signed for 3-4 years at $23 million per, but I do not see him doing that.
He is a stat guy, and I expect the salary stat means a lot to him. Whether the money does or not, none of us know.

That may be the case. But where is the upside for Brees signing an undervalued contract? The open market is going to be higher.

Your points on revenue sharing and the cap are spot-on. I am advocate of a significantly higher cap and roster expansion. My caveat would be a position cap as well, just to insure that a $500,000 guy isn't snapping the ball to a $50,000,000 guy.

Why position parity? Tell me about the last center that led his team to a SuperBowl.

SFIAH

ScottF · 06-06-2016, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I don't disagree with that assessment. That's the challenge for the Saints. The real problem isn't Condon. The real problem is that there are teams out there that would happily pay it. I keep trying to think of the last time a UFA QB of Brees' caliber was healthy and on the open market. Manning was coming off an injury when released from Indy. Farve had retired then unretired and then traded from Green Bay to the Jets. Does anyone have anything close to an example?

SFIAH

Warner? Jeff George 6X? Steve Young was shopped...
No, no one would have anywhere near the same impact as Brees hitting the market
Osweiler got 18 a year for his 11 career TD's

spkb25 · 06-06-2016, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It's the guaranteed money for an older player that I have a problem with. Make it an incentive driven contract for the last couple of years and earn the money Drew! What's not fair about that?

Fair has nothing to do with it. It is called leverage. Players get whatever they can leverage. Teams look at value vs production. If a player costs too much they are allowed to walk and get the money somewhere else. We are going to pay the going rate because Drew has the leverage to get the going rate. He will either get it from us or somewhere else.

Drew isn't a player who must prove himself because he has spent 10 years doing that.

In 2015 he played 15 games, many of them hurt:

68.% completion %.
4870 yards
32 TD's
11 Int's

We aren't going to pay him Joe Flacco money?

10 games:
64.4% completion %
2791 yards
14 TD's
12 Int's

Danno · 06-06-2016, 06:46 PM

Just curious...

Since Payton was known as a QB guru before we ever hired him as HC, what percentage of Drew's success would you attribute to Coach Sean Payton's coaching and system?

The truth is that no one really knows. Luke freaking McCown looked great in the 1 game Drew missed.

Just throwing that out there.

spkb25 · 06-06-2016, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Just curious...

Since Payton was known as a QB guru before we ever hired him as HC, what percentage of Drew's success would you attribute to Coach Sean Payton's coaching and system?

The truth is that no one really knows. Luke freaking McCown looked great in the 1 game Drew missed.

Just throwing that out there.

System I think has some part, sure, but Drew runs it like he does because of his work ethic.

You're right, hard to tell, but stick Luke in there prolonged and let teams get substantial film on him and it might not go so hott

4everSaint · 06-06-2016, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

"Chicken! Fight like a robot!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAkOZNP8XIA

OMG! One of my first games on Atari. Loved that game.

CheramieIII · 06-06-2016, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Just curious...

Since Payton was known as a QB guru before we ever hired him as HC, what percentage of Drew's success would you attribute to Coach Sean Payton's coaching and system?

The truth is that no one really knows. Luke freaking McCown looked great in the 1 game Drew missed.

Just throwing that out there.

Coach calls all of the offensive plays and according to T-REX all of the defensive ones too. I would think he has a lot to do with Drew's success

halloween 65 · 06-06-2016, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Warner? Jeff George 6X? Steve Young was shopped...
No, no one would have anywhere near the same impact as Brees hitting the market
Osweiler got 18 a year for his 11 career TD's

If Brees would hit the market could he be as good in their system as he is in Paytons? Some teams might over pay but say a Cleveland goes for broke and he ends up there? It's Paytons system, Brees is just the triggerman( a good one) but when Paytons done with him Payton will have another pulling the trigger. On Osweller, he didn't play all that bad, I'm going to see if Elway let one get by him.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-06-2016, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Warner?

Injured

Jeff George 6X?

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_George

Indianapolis: "George threw 46 interceptions to 41 touchdowns and lost 35 of his 49 career starts as a Colt; his only winning season with the Colts was 1992, where he played ten games and threw 15 interceptions to seven touchdowns. Before the 1993 season, he refused to report to training camp and only returned to the team when Jim Irsay made it clear that George would have to pay a huge penalty fee for breach of contract if he didn't get back to work. The Colts traded him to the Atlanta Falcons after the 1993 season."

Atlanta: "George got into a heated argument on the sidelines with then-Falcons coach June Jones, all of which was caught on camera for a national television audience. Jones suspended George for the remainder of the 1996 season and Atlanta dealt George to the Oakland Raiders after the season. It was later confirmed that George blamed team management for his problems and felt Jones betrayed him by not standing up to this alleged mistreatment... George's record with the Falcons was 16-19; he had the best completion percentage (60.5) of his career with 50 touchdowns and 32 interceptions."

This isn't a top 3 QB.

Steve Young was shopped...

Arguable. But it was a trade proposal, not the open market. Also the bizarre situation of having a HOF 4 time winning SB QB on the roster.

No, no one would have anywhere near the same impact as Brees hitting the market
Osweiler got 18 a year for his 11 career TD's

Exactly.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-06-2016, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

If Brees would hit the market could he be as good in their system as he is in Paytons?

Absolutely. Brees was a top 5 QB in San Diego.

Some teams might over pay but say a Cleveland goes for broke and he ends up there?

Two words: Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton is in fact no Drew Brees and look what Hue Jackson has accomplished with him in Cincinnati.

It's Paytons system, Brees is just the triggerman( a good one) but when Paytons done with him Payton will have another pulling the trigger.

Honestly, I simply do not know how to process this statement. I am flabbergasted.

On Osweller, he didn't play all that bad, I'm going to see if Elway let one get by him.

Not the point. The market pays the guy $18 million a year on a half season and potential. Based on that what is the value of a Hall of Famer?

SFIAH

06-06-2016, 02:29 PM	#21
Threaded by SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by ScottF Yes- the newer contracts will continue to set the bar, just as Brees' did 4 years ago (as did a Vikings DB yesterday). Two points though- all of the QB's 1-9 are younger, and the dollar difference between 1-10 is only $2.2 million per year. Should the oldest guy on the list get $25 m per, just because he is up for a new contract? Condon would say yes, but he also has Eli and Ryan to worry about. I don't disagree with that assessment. That's the challenge for the Saints. The real problem isn't Condon. The real problem is that there are teams out there that would happily pay it. I keep trying to think of the last time a UFA QB of Brees' caliber was healthy and on the open market. Manning was coming off an injury when released from Indy. Farve had retired then unretired and then traded from Green Bay to the Jets. Does anyone have anything close to an example? I would be thrilled if Brees signed for 3-4 years at $23 million per, but I do not see him doing that. He is a stat guy, and I expect the salary stat means a lot to him. Whether the money does or not, none of us know. That may be the case. But where is the upside for Brees signing an undervalued contract? The open market is going to be higher. Your points on revenue sharing and the cap are spot-on. I am advocate of a significantly higher cap and roster expansion. My caveat would be a position cap as well, just to insure that a $500,000 guy isn't snapping the ball to a $50,000,000 guy. Why position parity? Tell me about the last center that led his team to a SuperBowl. SFIAH
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06-06-2016, 04:23 PM	#22
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: 'Quarterbacking robot' Drew Brees deserves to get paid, Zach Strief says on radio Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I don't disagree with that assessment. That's the challenge for the Saints. The real problem isn't Condon. The real problem is that there are teams out there that would happily pay it. I keep trying to think of the last time a UFA QB of Brees' caliber was healthy and on the open market. Manning was coming off an injury when released from Indy. Farve had retired then unretired and then traded from Green Bay to the Jets. Does anyone have anything close to an example? SFIAH Warner? Jeff George 6X? Steve Young was shopped... No, no one would have anywhere near the same impact as Brees hitting the market Osweiler got 18 a year for his 11 career TD's

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: 'Quarterbacking robot' Drew Brees deserves to get paid, Zach Strief says on radio Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It's the guaranteed money for an older player that I have a problem with. Make it an incentive driven contract for the last couple of years and earn the money Drew! What's not fair about that? Fair has nothing to do with it. It is called leverage. Players get whatever they can leverage. Teams look at value vs production. If a player costs too much they are allowed to walk and get the money somewhere else. We are going to pay the going rate because Drew has the leverage to get the going rate. He will either get it from us or somewhere else. Drew isn't a player who must prove himself because he has spent 10 years doing that. In 2015 he played 15 games, many of them hurt: 68.% completion %. 4870 yards 32 TD's 11 Int's We aren't going to pay him Joe Flacco money? 10 games: 64.4% completion % 2791 yards 14 TD's 12 Int's SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: 'Quarterbacking robot' Drew Brees deserves to get paid, Zach Strief says on radio Just curious... Since Payton was known as a QB guru before we ever hired him as HC, what percentage of Drew's success would you attribute to Coach Sean Payton's coaching and system? The truth is that no one really knows. Luke freaking McCown looked great in the 1 game Drew missed. Just throwing that out there.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: 'Quarterbacking robot' Drew Brees deserves to get paid, Zach Strief says on radio Originally Posted by Danno Just curious... Since Payton was known as a QB guru before we ever hired him as HC, what percentage of Drew's success would you attribute to Coach Sean Payton's coaching and system? The truth is that no one really knows. Luke freaking McCown looked great in the 1 game Drew missed. Just throwing that out there. System I think has some part, sure, but Drew runs it like he does because of his work ethic. You're right, hard to tell, but stick Luke in there prolonged and let teams get substantial film on him and it might not go so hott

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 'Quarterbacking robot' Drew Brees deserves to get paid, Zach Strief says on radio Originally Posted by ScottF Warner? Jeff George 6X? Steve Young was shopped... No, no one would have anywhere near the same impact as Brees hitting the market Osweiler got 18 a year for his 11 career TD's If Brees would hit the market could he be as good in their system as he is in Paytons? Some teams might over pay but say a Cleveland goes for broke and he ends up there? It's Paytons system, Brees is just the triggerman( a good one) but when Paytons done with him Payton will have another pulling the trigger. On Osweller, he didn't play all that bad, I'm going to see if Elway let one get by him.

06-06-2016, 09:51 PM	#29
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: 'Quarterbacking robot' Drew Brees deserves to get paid, Zach Strief says on radio Originally Posted by ScottF Warner? Injured Jeff George 6X? From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_George Indianapolis: "George threw 46 interceptions to 41 touchdowns and lost 35 of his 49 career starts as a Colt; his only winning season with the Colts was 1992, where he played ten games and threw 15 interceptions to seven touchdowns. Before the 1993 season, he refused to report to training camp and only returned to the team when Jim Irsay made it clear that George would have to pay a huge penalty fee for breach of contract if he didn't get back to work. The Colts traded him to the Atlanta Falcons after the 1993 season." Atlanta: "George got into a heated argument on the sidelines with then-Falcons coach June Jones, all of which was caught on camera for a national television audience. Jones suspended George for the remainder of the 1996 season and Atlanta dealt George to the Oakland Raiders after the season. It was later confirmed that George blamed team management for his problems and felt Jones betrayed him by not standing up to this alleged mistreatment... George's record with the Falcons was 16-19; he had the best completion percentage (60.5) of his career with 50 touchdowns and 32 interceptions." This isn't a top 3 QB. Steve Young was shopped... Arguable. But it was a trade proposal, not the open market. Also the bizarre situation of having a HOF 4 time winning SB QB on the roster. No, no one would have anywhere near the same impact as Brees hitting the market Osweiler got 18 a year for his 11 career TD's Exactly. SFIAH
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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: 'Quarterbacking robot' Drew Brees deserves to get paid, Zach Strief says on radio Originally Posted by halloween 65 If Brees would hit the market could he be as good in their system as he is in Paytons? Absolutely. Brees was a top 5 QB in San Diego. Some teams might over pay but say a Cleveland goes for broke and he ends up there? Two words: Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton is in fact no Drew Brees and look what Hue Jackson has accomplished with him in Cincinnati. It's Paytons system, Brees is just the triggerman( a good one) but when Paytons done with him Payton will have another pulling the trigger. Honestly, I simply do not know how to process this statement. I am flabbergasted. On Osweller, he didn't play all that bad, I'm going to see if Elway let one get by him. Not the point. The market pays the guy $18 million a year on a half season and potential. Based on that what is the value of a Hall of Famer? SFIAH

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