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03-06-2005, 12:33 PM | #21 |
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If our OFFENSE was the problem, saintwhodi, why are you so hell bent on us getting DEFENSIVE players? Makes no sense to me... It seems you think DEFENSE is our biggest area of need but you say the OFFENSE is the problem? |
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03-06-2005, 12:55 PM | #22 |
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Last time, in caps: THE OFFENSE DID NOT MAKE THE DEFENSE BAD. A SUB_PAR OFFENSE MADE A BAD DEFENSE LOOK WORSE. I don\'t want the defense to have to cover the O\'s mistakes, I would prefer the defense be dominant in its own right and it does not appear we are trying to accomplish that. Also, the problem that I feel is the biggest on the O is not being addressed and won\'t be, so that leaves fixing the defense and making it better regardless of the O as a better alternative. Maybe we can hold teams for 4 quarters with a better D until the O decides to show up. [Edited on 6/3/2005 by saintswhodi] [Edited on 6/3/2005 by saintswhodi] |
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saintwhodi --
I can\'t say I disagree with any of that. However, I think it was the lack of a running game that hurt the offense more than anything else. Teams don\'t get away from running the football if they are averaging 4-yards per carry. Simply put, we couldn\'t run the football with any consistency. If we could have averaged somewhere around 4 yards per carry, it would have helped our defense. So, yeah, our offense certainly didn\'t help our pathetic defense. I agree. Most of the reasons for that was our offensive line, an injured Deuce McAllister, and no back-up that could carry the load. I understand what you\'re saying and I think I agree. How\'s that? |
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WHOA!!! Hold the phone!!! Did I just read this:
I agreed with Kool on this in another post, and I will do the same. It\'s off the A-Train, but here\'s the deal. If we get Miller too, I will cut the team some slack. That is two definite moves to improve our line, which can only help the D. I STILL want impact defensive players, but I think we all do. But if we fix the line, A NEED is being addressed, so I will agree. I still don\'t know why we are looking at A-Train, but I am gonna give ground on that too. He has to be better than KiJana Carter or Lamar Smith. So, because of you and Kool, I am taking a step back. But, if the remaining LBs fly off the board without a visit, I won\'t be too happy. This guy :EVILLE: is waiting to come back. |
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That guy is scary... eer:
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03-06-2005, 01:33 PM | #26 |
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If Mayberry is our only move on the OL, I\'m not ready to call that much of an improvement though. I think we need Mayberry and a RT. That would be a substantial improvement!
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03-06-2005, 01:52 PM | #27 |
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Yeah Kool, that guy scares me too.
But IF we do add Miller, I will be okay cause trading Howard will still create enough of a surplus in the cap where we could still get a big time defensive free agent(whoever is left). I just read from Gumbo and JoeSam though that Bell failed a physical for the Giants, so he may be out of the running. That leaves Hartwell, Darren Sharper, poss trade for Jamie Sharper, Or a RFA such as Will Witherspoon. OR, we may keep Howard, and be trying to work a long time deal. As much as I like Howard, that is the worst option to me. What happens when Grant\'s contract comes up? It will be the same situation. Plus Howard\'s injuries make him unreliable. But, I will be happy with the O line moves if we add Miller, or even pork chop Womack. I would prefer him though cause he is much younger, and we won;t be talking about his decline in 2 years like Gandy\'s. |
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I agree that backup RB is a lesser need (I agree the OL & D need the most attention), but I like the A-Train. He\'s an underrated and undervalued back, plus he\'s a bit of a bruiser. If the Saints could sign him at a value price (and it\'s been pointed out he\'s a Louisiana native), I wouldn\'t complain.
He\'d be an excellent short yardage, change of pace guy. And really, that would give us one of each, which is an interesting prospect. We\'d have Deuce as the primary back, a bruiser in A-Train, and the \"scat back\" in Stecker. That could work... |
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Whodi,
I think Womack will be (much) cheaper, and I am a fan, but Miller is a bit more proven than Womack. I\'m not sure what I think about a lineman at 9 years experience. Many OLinemen can play well into 14 seasons before they really start hurting (it is a faster rate of decline at LT than RT and faster at both of those than any of OG or C). Miller:
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Both interesting but pork chop has more upside as it seems. Miller is more established, but when does the decline start? Gandy is 34 and you can see his talent going downhill. I am leery of that. At least with a young guy, you KNOW he can get better. Once an old player starts getting older, you are stuck with what you have. And Womack will not command as much money. But, either/or. We still aren\'t talking about a defensive player signing.
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