Improved D says Bobby and Deuce
 

Good quick read...think Bobby said last year we'd be hard pressed to win 6 games, and he sunshines a lot. Still have to wait until we play a game that means something, but sounds at least somewhat better than last two seasons.


“I thought the defense had a big edge today. The offense has the skins on the wall. But so far this camp I’ve seen an improved defense.” Bobby agreed. He also said that CB Delvin Breaux had an outstanding day at practice.



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I hate to sound cliche' but Delvin Breaux is as close to becoming a "shut down corner" as anyone in the league. He is locking down anything that moves.

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My biggest fear with DB40 is pass interference calls.

NFL has been trending towards calling the most insignificant crap, and Breaux can be very physical at times.

*This is not a criticism of Breaux, it's directed towards the ridiculous PI calls the NFL uses to steer games. But they have to be factored in.

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It's a valid point, Breaux had his eyes opened in his first NFL game when he got called for PI and holding calls. After that his technique improved quite a bit.

At this point in time he is our best player in the secondary, however there are a couple points I hope he is trying to improve on;

He struggled at locating deep passes, often falling over (see the colts game, it's a rough watch...) and he was beaten easily on multiple pick plays near the goal line.

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It's training camp. Let's put this into perspective.

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Circle back to his performance last year against Atlanta and Julio Jones.
He was the 2nd highest rated defender behind Cam Jordan with a score around the +12 overall. Just imagine how dominate he'll be with a better pass rush & a healthy Swann & Lewis around him.

Unlike #39 last season, Breaux made huge strides as the season progressed.

Let's put that into perspective ;).

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FWIW ...PFF's top 20 corners in 2015. He is ranked before Desmond Trufont, Josh Norman, and Chris Harris Jr.

http://saintsreport.com/forums/attac...breaux-pff.png

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Isn't this about approx. the 12th time you have made this same post when people are discussing what is coming out of camp...and don't you get corrected each and every time that people already recognize we need to have a wait and see approach and yet you ignore that because you'd rather continue to press your agenda? How many post will you say the same thing on only to be told we recognize we need a wait and see approach but that the stuff coming out of camp sounds, at least somewhat, better than last season. I mean for christ sakes you responded to a post that said this:

Do you really think most people on this board do not recognize it is just camp and until the Raiders come to town nothing matters?? But this is what fans do boss- we discuss where the team is and where they might be going...if not then why are you here? I don't mind opposing views because we are here for that, but you continue to say the same thing on damn near every post about the D looking better or doing some things better... and you're doing that even when people say we recognize it is camp. So WTF is your point man?

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Press my agenda? If i am pressing an agenda then wouldn't you be doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction?

It's so funny when people don't agree with the team going 16-0 and winning the superbowl everyone gets their feelings hurt. Do I want that to happen too? Of course! Do i want Breaux to be a top shutdown corner in the league? Of course!
But I also have an ounce of realism about the entire situation. Breaux also got torched at times last year and this defense was epically bad. So you may have to overlook my "pessimism" when it comes to the saints defense being much improved through 5 days of camp.

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Every training camp, everything is roses and rainbows. Lets wait until they play a meaningful game before we start crowing them. Right now the defense still scares the bejesus out of me until they prove it

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My Agenda...is to look at what is being said by commentators, both of who are ex-professional football players and then say, but we need to wait until they play a meaningful game. I don't know what agenda that is other than to say things sound somewhat better than last year and I am optimistic. 16-0, WTF, that is an exaggeration and if you look at my post they are not sunshine and rainbows.

Much improved vs what my post said- somewhat better than the last two years. You're exaggerating the point I made to fit the narrative you need it to fit in order to come back with a comment like that.

Somewhat better is not the same as much improved...second, I openly stated but we need to wait and see what happens when a meaningful game is played. I never said much improved.

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Exactly what the post said- have to wait for a meaningful game, agree.

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Sorry Spk, that wasn't to suggest you specifically said those things as much a rhetorical comment about predictions and the crazy optimism that often times gets thrown around on the board.

I as much as anyone desperately want to see improvements and have to constantly remind myself to temper the expectations I have when I hear the constant reporting of how amazing everyone is in camp. Other teams I am sure are reporting the same great things about their players, and it just doesn't necessarily translate into W's and record breaking stats.

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Agreed!! But I still find myself at times wanting to beat the drum a little . But on the flip side I bought what was said about the D before just to watch a bunch of grown pro. atheletes play like a pee-wee team.

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Championship!

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Agreed. How many times do you see a team look phenom in preseason and then **** the bed. I am right there with you. I think things will be better just because (like SP said) they can't get much worse, but how much better...who knows at this point

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yeah you can't get any worse so saying improved is a safe bet but the problem this time of year is when all the bandwagon gathers and talks we are the best D on paper we have the best O on paper what do you mean we aren't going to the SB. We should beat the Falcons 100-0.

You have to take each game - game by game.

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haha you can tell it's training camp, getting a little salty.

At this point, for me, other games can go either way -- as long as we clip the dirty bird's wings, and cause cam newton's season implode. I bet Harper can't wait to hit that clown in the jowls.

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Last year Delvin Breaux looked great in TC. How did that translate?

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Breaux is the real deal, agreed, he already proved that last season

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One thing I learned last year...

Preseason matters. Too often we write off preseason games thinking they are just warm ups, but for the last three seasons they have been almost exact reflections of the team's performance for the regular season. Ill be watching very closely this year.

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Very good point!

Our backups blew a 21 point lead vs New England in preseason, we still had a chance to win the game at the end and we let them march down the field for the win.

I believe the stat was 4-5 games last year were decided by 5 points or less.

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I thought we played better D the 1st two pre-season games than we did all year. I was fired up. After that is when it all got ugly. Now that Payton stacked the deck for Allen it's going be interesting to see how things go.

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Hey, let's just all agree that we're having a great camp, and that we're going to win the Superbowl this year. Nothing wrong w that!!

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I don't put much stock in it except for effort. We were 3-1 in both 2014 and 2013. Both seasons had distinctly different results.

Now I will say this- not being able to get lined up in preseason is an issue, so from those things you're right

The Patriots are effectively 2-2 every year in preseason

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which is why i LOVE august. its another year of hope. whether its real or not... I had hope so many years, and then a real game came...
--- BUT THIS YEAR IS IT!!!!!

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Improved defense sounds fabulous from any vantage point.

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That was probably just inexperience. Also a couple of those calls prevented a td.

I like what I'm hearing but it just seems too good to be true. Keep in mind it's Deuce, Bobby, and the rest of the media that is in camps job to hype us up for the season. They help the organization sell tickets and everything else, so their is a ton of bias. Also keep in mind that they are also Saints fans in addition to former players. I would like to read more reports from outside sources who have visited several camps.

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I am pretty sure Hebert said we would be lucky to win 6 games last year. I remember someone posted that on here so I am not sure that is 100% true

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If we keep talking about improved defense long enough, one day we'll be right.
I just hope it's sooner rather than later.
Our offense has been dying for a little help.
No team is supposed to lose when they score 38.
I'm hoping Laurinaitus, Fairly and Harper can get the younger guys salivating.
I'm hopeful even without all the good things I'm hearing.
I'm ready for some football!

Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce
 

It's not the final score of the preseason games that really matters. What matters is the execution of the 1s when they play in each game. Typically:

Preseason Game 1: The 1st quarter
Preseason Game 2: The 1st quarter into the 2nd quarter
Preseason Game 3: The first half and possibly the first series of the 3rd quarter. This is the critical game because it's really the only preseason game that is game planned and the starters get significant minutes.
Preseason Game 4: A complete washout. No one who makes the squad is going to play significant minutes.

Everything after that, including the final score, really isn't relevant. When you have the 3s and 4s out there in the 4th quarter or the 4th game, very little of what happens out there translates into the regular season.

So this preseason watch the defense carefully when the 1s and a mix of the 1s and 2s are our there. That's going to be the actual defensive rotation when the season starts. See if they line up correctly, communicate out on the field, hit the right gaps, and not lose receivers or contain. See if they can get off the field on 3rd down, hold the opposition to field goals, and take the ball away.

This will give you a much better indication of how it'll be once they get to live fire in September.

Let's not forget that in 2013 in the preseason, the 1s on defense were bringing it. And it translated directly into that top 5 regular season defense.

Because the final score and the final preseason standings really don't matter. It's the execution of the likely 53 when they are out on the field that matters.
Guys who will be sitting in the stands with you as fans come September are not crucial in evaluating the strength of a team in the preseason.

SFIAH

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I feel ya boss, but I don't put much stock in it. The Eagles looked like world beaters in preseason last year and then they **** a turd. Just difference of opin.

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I think delvin breaux is a exceptional db but I really think he need some prescription sport goggles. High deep balls give him trouble to locate

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lmao!!

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Enter new defensive back Coach Aaron Glenn.

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I got to see Fri-Sun's practices at the GB and the interior of the Def line looked a little more in tune this year than previous camps.

Everyone is talking about Breaux but what needs to improve for the DBs to be able to actually perform better is that D-Line. I definitely saw more pressure up the middle during the live drills. That pressure will impact how much time a QB has in the pocket. The more time in the pocket and the more time a WR has to break coverage. I'd have to do more intensive looks at the game tapes from last season but it ALWAYS seemed like every QB had a ton of time to wait for a guy to get open. That seemed to change this camp from the last 2 years I'd been able to watch camp. I think having a simplified attack plan makes a huge difference too, D Allen is providing that this season. They moved away from that hybrid BS 3-4 that Ryan was trying to make work and the all of the Def players noted during autograph times that they are running 4-3 this season. I'm hoping that Rankins will make an impact and the rest of the interior guys fuse into that new plan and provide the pressure needed for a Def to be better. Gwachum looks like he'll play opposite of Jordan and Tull will factor in as well on the outside.

I think Breaux will be improved this season and his interference calls will go down this year. Hopefully Lewis will be good for opening day and stay healthy through the duration of the season. PJ Williams looked to be running well but man, he was holding or making early contact every single play it seemed. A lot of laundry will be coming his way unless he improves his technique.

I'm cautiously more optimistic that the change in coaching and scheme will make things improve this season. However, there wasn't much room to go lower than last year and a historically bad scoring defense can really only improve. I hope that Def line can put more pressure on, it will only make the DBs look better and help the team overall.

My biggest concern is that the O-line could struggle. Was it that the D-line has improved or that the interior of the O-line is in question? Peat was at LT every day with Armstead out and Streiff was at RT, how long can he last this season? I will say that Peat looked to be highly improved as far as fitness level goes. It was encouraging to see him be able to make it from sideline to sideline and the entire field during cool downs with the team!

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Now this sounds like an honest evaluation. Good point about the interior o-line, I haven't heard much about them to this point other than Peat not getting enough reps at RG and Unger looking good early. Although I am sure that our interior D-line is vastly improved, I am not sure that will result in more pressure against opposing teams come game time. Hopefully it does.

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This struck me as very funny as it's in a thread featuring Bobby Hebert.
He didn't make it through the first paragraph before dropping his "skins on the wall" cliche.
Very disappointed that he didn't mention KV "knocking a snot bubble" on someone.
C'mon Cannon, you're slipping.

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I'm born in August and live in New Orleans
August it is my least favorite month because....

• Very hot and rainy season
• Hurricane season
• Preseason