Improved D says Bobby and Deuce

spkb25 · 08-02-2016, 08:13 AM

Good quick read...think Bobby said last year we'd be hard pressed to win 6 games, and he sunshines a lot. Still have to wait until we play a game that means something, but sounds at least somewhat better than last two seasons.

“I thought the defense had a big edge today. The offense has the skins on the wall. But so far this camp I’ve seen an improved defense.” Bobby agreed. He also said that CB Delvin Breaux had an outstanding day at practice.

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K Major · 08-02-2016, 08:18 AM

I hate to sound cliche' but Delvin Breaux is as close to becoming a "shut down corner" as anyone in the league. He is locking down anything that moves.

WillMacKenzie · 08-02-2016, 08:31 AM

My biggest fear with DB40 is pass interference calls.

NFL has been trending towards calling the most insignificant crap, and Breaux can be very physical at times.

*This is not a criticism of Breaux, it's directed towards the ridiculous PI calls the NFL uses to steer games. But they have to be factored in.

dizzle88 · 08-02-2016, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

My biggest fear with DB40 is pass interference calls.

NFL has been trending towards calling the most insignificant crap, and Breaux can be very physical at times.

*This is not a criticism of Breaux, it's directed towards the ridiculous PI calls the NFL uses to steer games. But they have to be factored in.

It's a valid point, Breaux had his eyes opened in his first NFL game when he got called for PI and holding calls. After that his technique improved quite a bit.

At this point in time he is our best player in the secondary, however there are a couple points I hope he is trying to improve on;

He struggled at locating deep passes, often falling over (see the colts game, it's a rough watch...) and he was beaten easily on multiple pick plays near the goal line.

jonnyrotten · 08-02-2016, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I hate to sound cliche' but Delvin Breaux is as close to becoming a "shut down corner" as anyone in the league. He is locking down anything that moves.

It's training camp. Let's put this into perspective.

K Major · 08-02-2016, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten

It's training camp. Let's put this into perspective.

Circle back to his performance last year against Atlanta and Julio Jones.
He was the 2nd highest rated defender behind Cam Jordan with a score around the +12 overall. Just imagine how dominate he'll be with a better pass rush & a healthy Swann & Lewis around him.

Unlike #39 last season, Breaux made huge strides as the season progressed.

Let's put that into perspective

.

K Major · 08-02-2016, 09:03 AM

FWIW ...PFF's top 20 corners in 2015. He is ranked before Desmond Trufont, Josh Norman, and Chris Harris Jr.

spkb25 · 08-02-2016, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten

It's training camp. Let's put this into perspective.

Isn't this about approx. the 12th time you have made this same post when people are discussing what is coming out of camp...and don't you get corrected each and every time that people already recognize we need to have a wait and see approach and yet you ignore that because you'd rather continue to press your agenda? How many post will you say the same thing on only to be told we recognize we need a wait and see approach but that the stuff coming out of camp sounds, at least somewhat, better than last season. I mean for christ sakes you responded to a post that said this:

Originally Posted by spkb25

Still have to wait until we play a game that means something, but sounds at least somewhat better than last two seasons.

Do you really think most people on this board do not recognize it is just camp and until the Raiders come to town nothing matters?? But this is what fans do boss- we discuss where the team is and where they might be going...if not then why are you here? I don't mind opposing views because we are here for that, but you continue to say the same thing on damn near every post about the D looking better or doing some things better... and you're doing that even when people say we recognize it is camp. So WTF is your point man?

jonnyrotten · 08-02-2016, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Isn't this about approx. the 12th time you have made this same post when people are discussing what is coming out of camp...and don't you get corrected each and every time that people already recognize we need to have a wait and see approach and yet you ignore that because you'd rather continue to press your agenda? How many post will you say the same thing on only to be told we recognize we need a wait and see approach but that the stuff coming out of camp sounds, at least somewhat, better than last season. I mean for christ sakes you responded to a post that said this:

Do you really think most people on this board do not recognize it is just camp and until the Raiders come to town nothing matters?? But this is what fans do boss- we discuss where the team is and where they might be going...if not then why are you here? I don't mind opposing views because we are here for that, but you continue to say the same thing on damn near every post about the D looking better or doing some things better... and you're doing that even when people say we recognize it is camp. So WTF is your point man?

Press my agenda? If i am pressing an agenda then wouldn't you be doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction?

It's so funny when people don't agree with the team going 16-0 and winning the superbowl everyone gets their feelings hurt. Do I want that to happen too? Of course! Do i want Breaux to be a top shutdown corner in the league? Of course!
But I also have an ounce of realism about the entire situation. Breaux also got torched at times last year and this defense was epically bad. So you may have to overlook my "pessimism" when it comes to the saints defense being much improved through 5 days of camp.

RaginCajun83 · 08-02-2016, 11:28 AM

Every training camp, everything is roses and rainbows. Lets wait until they play a meaningful game before we start crowing them. Right now the defense still scares the bejesus out of me until they prove it

08-02-2016, 08:13 AM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Improved D says Bobby and Deuce Good quick read...think Bobby said last year we'd be hard pressed to win 6 games, and he sunshines a lot. Still have to wait until we play a game that means something, but sounds at least somewhat better than last two seasons. “I thought the defense had a big edge today. The offense has the skins on the wall. But so far this camp I’ve seen an improved defense.” Bobby agreed. He also said that CB Delvin Breaux had an outstanding day at practice. WWL - AM870 \| FM105.3 \| News \| Talk \| Sports - Bobby And Deuce Cautiously Optimistic About Improved Saints Defense SmashMouth and K Major like this.
	Your team stinks

08-02-2016, 08:18 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,604 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce I hate to sound cliche' but Delvin Breaux is as close to becoming a "shut down corner" as anyone in the league. He is locking down anything that moves. Beastmode and frydaddy like this.

08-02-2016, 08:44 AM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,139	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie My biggest fear with DB40 is pass interference calls. NFL has been trending towards calling the most insignificant crap, and Breaux can be very physical at times. *This is not a criticism of Breaux, it's directed towards the ridiculous PI calls the NFL uses to steer games. But they have to be factored in. It's a valid point, Breaux had his eyes opened in his first NFL game when he got called for PI and holding calls. After that his technique improved quite a bit. At this point in time he is our best player in the secondary, however there are a couple points I hope he is trying to improve on; He struggled at locating deep passes, often falling over (see the colts game, it's a rough watch...) and he was beaten easily on multiple pick plays near the goal line. SmashMouth likes this.

08-02-2016, 08:51 AM	#5
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 510	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce Originally Posted by K Major I hate to sound cliche' but Delvin Breaux is as close to becoming a "shut down corner" as anyone in the league. He is locking down anything that moves. It's training camp. Let's put this into perspective.

08-02-2016, 08:58 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,604 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce Originally Posted by jonnyrotten It's training camp. Let's put this into perspective. Circle back to his performance last year against Atlanta and Julio Jones. He was the 2nd highest rated defender behind Cam Jordan with a score around the +12 overall. Just imagine how dominate he'll be with a better pass rush & a healthy Swann & Lewis around him. Unlike #39 last season, Breaux made huge strides as the season progressed. Let's put that into perspective . RockyMountainSaint, SmashMouth, RaginCajun83 and 4 others like this.

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08-02-2016, 08:31 AM	#3
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce My biggest fear with DB40 is pass interference calls. NFL has been trending towards calling the most insignificant crap, and Breaux can be very physical at times. *This is not a criticism of Breaux, it's directed towards the ridiculous PI calls the NFL uses to steer games. But they have to be factored in.

08-02-2016, 09:03 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,604 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce FWIW ...PFF's top 20 corners in 2015. He is ranked before Desmond Trufont, Josh Norman, and Chris Harris Jr. Utah_Saint likes this.

08-02-2016, 09:19 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce Originally Posted by jonnyrotten It's training camp. Let's put this into perspective. Isn't this about approx. the 12th time you have made this same post when people are discussing what is coming out of camp...and don't you get corrected each and every time that people already recognize we need to have a wait and see approach and yet you ignore that because you'd rather continue to press your agenda? How many post will you say the same thing on only to be told we recognize we need a wait and see approach but that the stuff coming out of camp sounds, at least somewhat, better than last season. I mean for christ sakes you responded to a post that said this: Originally Posted by spkb25 Still have to wait until we play a game that means something, but sounds at least somewhat better than last two seasons. Do you really think most people on this board do not recognize it is just camp and until the Raiders come to town nothing matters?? But this is what fans do boss- we discuss where the team is and where they might be going...if not then why are you here? I don't mind opposing views because we are here for that, but you continue to say the same thing on damn near every post about the D looking better or doing some things better... and you're doing that even when people say we recognize it is camp. So WTF is your point man?
	Your team stinks

08-02-2016, 09:28 AM	#9
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 510	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce Originally Posted by spkb25 Isn't this about approx. the 12th time you have made this same post when people are discussing what is coming out of camp...and don't you get corrected each and every time that people already recognize we need to have a wait and see approach and yet you ignore that because you'd rather continue to press your agenda? How many post will you say the same thing on only to be told we recognize we need a wait and see approach but that the stuff coming out of camp sounds, at least somewhat, better than last season. I mean for christ sakes you responded to a post that said this: Do you really think most people on this board do not recognize it is just camp and until the Raiders come to town nothing matters?? But this is what fans do boss- we discuss where the team is and where they might be going...if not then why are you here? I don't mind opposing views because we are here for that, but you continue to say the same thing on damn near every post about the D looking better or doing some things better... and you're doing that even when people say we recognize it is camp. So WTF is your point man? Press my agenda? If i am pressing an agenda then wouldn't you be doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction? It's so funny when people don't agree with the team going 16-0 and winning the superbowl everyone gets their feelings hurt. Do I want that to happen too? Of course! Do i want Breaux to be a top shutdown corner in the league? Of course! But I also have an ounce of realism about the entire situation. Breaux also got torched at times last year and this defense was epically bad. So you may have to overlook my "pessimism" when it comes to the saints defense being much improved through 5 days of camp.

08-02-2016, 11:28 AM	#10
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Improved D says Bobby and Deuce Every training camp, everything is roses and rainbows. Lets wait until they play a meaningful game before we start crowing them. Right now the defense still scares the bejesus out of me until they prove it jonnyrotten, darstep, skymike and 1 others like this.

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