Training Camp Day 10

K Major · 08-06-2016, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Definitely in decline...[sic]

https://twitter.com/garlandgillen/st...49693962256384

4 INT's doesn't worry me at all in camp ... especially from Brees.
He is a cerebral QB simply testing, seeing what works and what doesn't. Possibly measuring out the new WR's (Fleener, Thomas) to see what they are capable of when he lobs it up.

No decline

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jeanpierre · 08-06-2016, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

4 INT's doesn't worry me at all in camp ... especially from Brees.
He is a cerebral QB simply testing, seeing what works and what doesn't. Possibly measuring out the new WR's (Fleener, Thomas) to see what they are capable of when he lobs it up.

No decline .

Seriously, defenses are traditionally ahead of offenses this time of year; it's just that our defense hath sucketh like no defense hath sucketh before...

Now with just one defensive coordinator (one voice, one vision) and better, deeper front seven talent, we're looking like a defense that, at the least, must be respected...

spkb25 · 08-06-2016, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Seriously, defenses are traditionally ahead of offenses this time of year; it's just that our defense hath sucketh like no defense hath sucketh before...

Now with just one defensive coordinator (one voice, one vision) and better, deeper front seven talent, we're looking like a defense that, at the least, must be respected...

dude i agree with your post minus that absolute nonsense about one d coordinator. There never were two of them and we hired someone into the exact same position dennis had last year so it isn't like that position went away. this is a good post just shutup with that already lolol

jeanpierre · 08-06-2016, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

dude i agree with your post minus that absolute nonsense about one d coordinator. There never were two of them and we hired someone into the exact same position dennis had last year so it isn't like that position went away. this is a good post just shutup with that already lolol

There is no nonsense; my name is not dude; and unless you have no clue Rob Ryan and Dennis Allen were essentially co-defensive coordinators last season as Allen was hired as Senior Defensive Assistant and part of his duties were to help Ryan "assist and better organize the defense" per Sean Payton; there're numerous article from last year; we discussed this here last season ad nauseum...

(excerpt from Dennis Allen on his job change, what he brings to New Orleans Saints' defense | NOLA.com )

Do you think there was ever any confusion within the players of who was in charge of the defense when you and Rob were together?

"You'd have to ask the players that. I don't have the answer to that question. I don't think that was the case. I think I tried to make it as clear as possible that Rob was in charge, and Rob was in charge."

Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge...

Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around...

spkb25 · 08-06-2016, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

There is no nonsense; my name is not dude; and unless you have no clue Rob Ryan and Dennis Allen were essentially co-defensive coordinators last season as Allen was hired as Senior Defensive Assistant and part of his duties were to help Ryan "assist and better organize the defense" per Sean Payton; there're numerous article from last year; we discussed this here last season ad nauseum...

(excerpt from Dennis Allen on his job change, what he brings to New Orleans Saints' defense | NOLA.com )

Do you think there was ever any confusion within the players of who was in charge of the defense when you and Rob were together?

"You'd have to ask the players that. I don't have the answer to that question. I don't think that was the case. I think I tried to make it as clear as possible that Rob was in charge, and Rob was in charge."

Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge...

Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around...

You are so wrong it is absurd.
THEY HIRED SOMEONE INTO THE SAME EXACT POSITION DENNIS HAD LAST YEAR.
By that logic we again have two D coord's

Less confusion when Allen is in charge is not the same as your initial statement. It implies that Rob had the D confused. It stated he would change the entire dfense from mini-camp to training camp. How do you equate (all on your own btw) that Dennis and Rob being here caused the confusiomn, because we had just as many issues with confusion before Dennis ever arrived.

The players said that the calls for defense are shorter, that it is more streamlined so they do not have issues getting lined up. You took a situation, placed your spin on it, ignored the same confusion that existed in 14 and created a story that is completely false

I love how you also take and place this in underneath your link to the article as if it came from the article when in fact this came from you:

Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge...

Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around..

That is your ideas and language, not from the article.

spkb25 · 08-06-2016, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

There is no nonsense; my name is not dude; and unless you have no clue Rob Ryan and Dennis Allen were essentially co-defensive coordinators last season as Allen was hired as Senior Defensive Assistant and part of his duties were to help Ryan "assist and better organize the defense" per Sean Payton; there're numerous article from last year; we discussed this here last season ad nauseum...

(excerpt from Dennis Allen on his job change, what he brings to New Orleans Saints' defense | NOLA.com )

Do you think there was ever any confusion within the players of who was in charge of the defense when you and Rob were together?

"You'd have to ask the players that. I don't have the answer to that question. I don't think that was the case. I think I tried to make it as clear as possible that Rob was in charge, and Rob was in charge."

Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge...

Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around...

AND FOR GOOD MEASURE (SINCE YOU CONVENIENTLY CHOSE TO IGNORE IT) WE HIRED SOMEONE INTO THE POSITION DENNIS HELD LAST YEAR.

spkb25 · 08-06-2016, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

4 INT's doesn't worry me at all in camp ... especially from Brees.
He is a cerebral QB simply testing, seeing what works and what doesn't. Possibly measuring out the new WR's (Fleener, Thomas) to see what they are capable of when he lobs it up.

No decline .

i said i read years ago the d should be ahead of the o right now anyway. i think the defense understands what they're suppose to do. less thinking more reacting. brees and the offense will be fine and if anything it helps them develop faster

The Dude · 08-06-2016, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

i said i read years ago the d should be ahead of the o right now anyway. i think the defense understands what they're suppose to do. less thinking more reacting. brees and the offense will be fine and if anything it helps them develop faster

NFL offenses have changed quite a bit in the past couple years. WhAt was true years ago isn't true anymore. Especially under the new CBA.

spkb25 · 08-06-2016, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

NFL offenses have changed quite a bit in the past couple years. WhAt was true years ago isn't true anymore. Especially under the new CBA.

Your comment literally says nothing. It is empty. You detail nothing, discuss nothing, and you simply make a generalized statement without any substance.

The Dude · 08-06-2016, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Your comment literally says nothing. It is empty. You detail nothing, discuss nothing, and you simply make a generalized statement without any substance.

If you can comprehend the English language anywhere above a fifth grade level you should understand the statement. The fact your feeble mind cannot understand my statement is no fault of mine. But to spell it out here goes.

The poster said he read some years ago that the defense should be beating the offense at this point. while this may have been true years ago, training camp is not the same today. "Full contact" does not mean the same as full contact before the new CBA. The defenses aren't allowed to just go to town on the offense like it used to. The offense has the edge now. That doesn't mean that defenses don't win battles or even all of them. It's just no where near as telling as it used to be. The fact the defense is winning in spite of this is a good thing. Unless the offense has taken a step back

08-06-2016, 11:24 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,740 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Training Camp Day 10 Originally Posted by jeanpierre *Definitely in decline...[sic]* https://twitter.com/garlandgillen/st...49693962256384 4 INT's doesn't worry me at all in camp ... especially from Brees. He is a cerebral QB simply testing, seeing what works and what doesn't. Possibly measuring out the new WR's (Fleener, Thomas) to see what they are capable of when he lobs it up. No decline . Rell&Gold and captainshawn like this.

08-06-2016, 11:34 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Training Camp Day 10 Originally Posted by K Major 4 INT's doesn't worry me at all in camp ... especially from Brees. He is a cerebral QB simply testing, seeing what works and what doesn't. Possibly measuring out the new WR's (Fleener, Thomas) to see what they are capable of when he lobs it up. No decline . Seriously, defenses are traditionally ahead of offenses this time of year; it's just that our defense hath sucketh like no defense hath sucketh before... Now with just one defensive coordinator (one voice, one vision) and better, deeper front seven talent, we're looking like a defense that, at the least, must be respected... SaintFanInATLHELL and blackangold like this.

08-06-2016, 12:24 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Training Camp Day 10 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Seriously, defenses are traditionally ahead of offenses this time of year; it's just that our defense hath sucketh like no defense hath sucketh before... Now with just one defensive coordinator (one voice, one vision) and better, deeper front seven talent, we're looking like a defense that, at the least, must be respected... dude i agree with your post minus that absolute nonsense about one d coordinator. There never were two of them and we hired someone into the exact same position dennis had last year so it isn't like that position went away. this is a good post just shutup with that already lolol

08-06-2016, 02:04 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Training Camp Day 10 Originally Posted by spkb25 dude i agree with your post minus that absolute nonsense about one d coordinator. There never were two of them and we hired someone into the exact same position dennis had last year so it isn't like that position went away. this is a good post just shutup with that already lolol There is no nonsense; my name is not dude; and unless you have no clue Rob Ryan and Dennis Allen were essentially co-defensive coordinators last season as Allen was hired as Senior Defensive Assistant and part of his duties were to help Ryan "assist and better organize the defense" per Sean Payton; there're numerous article from last year; we discussed this here last season ad nauseum... (excerpt from Dennis Allen on his job change, what he brings to New Orleans Saints' defense \| NOLA.com ) Do you think there was ever any confusion within the players of who was in charge of the defense when you and Rob were together? "You'd have to ask the players that. I don't have the answer to that question. I don't think that was the case. I think I tried to make it as clear as possible that Rob was in charge, and Rob was in charge." Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge... Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around...
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08-06-2016, 02:10 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Training Camp Day 10 Originally Posted by jeanpierre There is no nonsense; my name is not dude; and unless you have no clue Rob Ryan and Dennis Allen were essentially co-defensive coordinators last season as Allen was hired as Senior Defensive Assistant and part of his duties were to help Ryan "assist and better organize the defense" per Sean Payton; there're numerous article from last year; we discussed this here last season ad nauseum... (excerpt from Dennis Allen on his job change, what he brings to New Orleans Saints' defense \| NOLA.com ) Do you think there was ever any confusion within the players of who was in charge of the defense when you and Rob were together? "You'd have to ask the players that. I don't have the answer to that question. I don't think that was the case. I think I tried to make it as clear as possible that Rob was in charge, and Rob was in charge." Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge... Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around... You are so wrong it is absurd. THEY HIRED SOMEONE INTO THE SAME EXACT POSITION DENNIS HAD LAST YEAR. By that logic we again have two D coord's Less confusion when Allen is in charge is not the same as your initial statement. It implies that Rob had the D confused. It stated he would change the entire dfense from mini-camp to training camp. How do you equate (all on your own btw) that Dennis and Rob being here caused the confusiomn, because we had just as many issues with confusion before Dennis ever arrived. The players said that the calls for defense are shorter, that it is more streamlined so they do not have issues getting lined up. You took a situation, placed your spin on it, ignored the same confusion that existed in 14 and created a story that is completely false I love how you also take and place this in underneath your link to the article as if it came from the article when in fact this came from you: Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge... Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around.. That is your ideas and language, not from the article.
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08-06-2016, 02:12 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Training Camp Day 10 Originally Posted by jeanpierre There is no nonsense; my name is not dude; and unless you have no clue Rob Ryan and Dennis Allen were essentially co-defensive coordinators last season as Allen was hired as Senior Defensive Assistant and part of his duties were to help Ryan "assist and better organize the defense" per Sean Payton; there're numerous article from last year; we discussed this here last season ad nauseum... (excerpt from Dennis Allen on his job change, what he brings to New Orleans Saints' defense \| NOLA.com ) Do you think there was ever any confusion within the players of who was in charge of the defense when you and Rob were together? "You'd have to ask the players that. I don't have the answer to that question. I don't think that was the case. I think I tried to make it as clear as possible that Rob was in charge, and Rob was in charge." Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge... Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around... AND FOR GOOD MEASURE (SINCE YOU CONVENIENTLY CHOSE TO IGNORE IT) WE HIRED SOMEONE INTO THE POSITION DENNIS HELD LAST YEAR.

08-06-2016, 12:22 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Training Camp Day 10 Originally Posted by K Major 4 INT's doesn't worry me at all in camp ... especially from Brees. He is a cerebral QB simply testing, seeing what works and what doesn't. Possibly measuring out the new WR's (Fleener, Thomas) to see what they are capable of when he lobs it up. No decline . i said i read years ago the d should be ahead of the o right now anyway. i think the defense understands what they're suppose to do. less thinking more reacting. brees and the offense will be fine and if anything it helps them develop faster

08-06-2016, 03:23 PM	#8
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Training Camp Day 10 Originally Posted by The Dude NFL offenses have changed quite a bit in the past couple years. WhAt was true years ago isn't true anymore. Especially under the new CBA. Your comment literally says nothing. It is empty. You detail nothing, discuss nothing, and you simply make a generalized statement without any substance.

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