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WhoDat!656 08-12-2016 11:52 AM
Pay Brees!
 
WhoDat Nation got a glimpse of life without Brees last night!

Saints and Loomis Better Pay Drew Brees -- QUICK

halloween 65 08-12-2016 02:01 PM
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I'm not willing to morgage the farm at his age, not at all. I'm not sure the Saints are either.

lee909 08-12-2016 02:05 PM
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He is easily worth a 4 year deal.
22/23ml a year.

4 years 90ml,60ml guaranteed

So a three year deal at just over 20 a year

WhoDat!656 08-12-2016 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 712021)
I'm not willing to morgage the farm at his age, not at all. I'm not sure the Saints are either.
There are ways to pay Brees and not mortgage the farm.

spkb25 08-12-2016 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 712021)
I'm not willing to morgage the farm at his age, not at all. I'm not sure the Saints are either.
Drew Brees is going to get a deal and he is going to get 25 mil a year...

foreverfan 08-12-2016 03:23 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/AMPkE.jpg

blackangold 08-12-2016 03:33 PM
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4 years 100 mil, 75 guaranteed.

Danno 08-12-2016 06:40 PM
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He's already paid.

I don't get it.

The Dude 08-12-2016 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 712021)
I'm not willing to morgage the farm at his age, not at all. I'm not sure the Saints are either.
You don't have to be. You won't be paying for him. Some of you act like these players are payed with tax dollars.

jeanpierre 08-12-2016 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 712081)
You don't have to be. You won't be paying for him. Some of you act like these players are payed with tax dollars.
Think what some are concerned for is dead, guaranteed money against the salary cap in years he may not play...

For those of you in your twenties and thirties, especially those who are feeling their oats in their late thirties - they dry up quick...

Drew may honestly feel he can continue to do this another four years, those older know better...

Have no problem paying him major dinero year-year; that way, if he's still elite, he gets his, if not, he leaves and the team isn't hampered with dead money...

But I think we'd all agree, especially after these past two seasons, we don't want big contracts with empty lockers...

SaintFanInATLHELL 08-12-2016 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 712073)
He's already paid.

I don't get it.
I'm going to take this one at face value. Brees is paid by the Saints only until the end of the league year. After that his contract is up and he is a free agent.

The Saints would have to pay him $43 million for one year under a franchise tag. It's not likely to happen.

So an extension is essentially the next contract. And Brees' next contract has three or four essential factors:

1. Brees' production
2. Brees' age
3. The NFL QB market
4. Brees' standing among NFL QBs.

If the 2016 Saints has production numbers along the lines of 12 wins, 5000+ yards passing, 40+ TDs, and a deep run into the playoffs, then Brees will enter free agency as the QB who had the best season ever for a QB entering the free agent market.

Now look at the market, which escalates each and every year. In 2016 Luck and Palmer are pushing $25 million. There are 11 QBs that have a high average salary than Brees for 2016.

Couple those two together and Brees will be worth more than $25 million a year on the open market;.

Even worse there are teams that have a ton of money available and need a QB that may be willing to invest $100 million for 4 years. Teams like Denver and Cleveland, who may need a QB, are north of $25 million in cap space starting next year.

So the Saints are in a bind. Any extension is going to have to be in that ballpark. However, locking Brees in for 3-4 years at that level may end up being golden handcuffs for the Saints.

But all Brees needs to do is wait and he can get that $100 million in 4 years starting in 2017. So it's really up to the Saints to decide to get it worked out in the next 3 weeks before another season of stats are notched and the price skyrockets.

SFIAH

The Dude 08-12-2016 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 712083)
Think what some are concerned for is dead, guaranteed money against the salary cap in years he may not play...

For those of you in your twenties and thirties, especially those who are feeling their oats in their late thirties - they dry up quick...

Drew may honestly feel he can continue to do this another four years, those older know better...

Have no problem paying him major dinero year-year; that way, if he's still elite, he gets his, if not, he leaves and the team isn't hampered with dead money...

But I think we'd all agree, especially after these past two seasons, we don't want big contracts with empty lockers...
They can structure it in a way that is cap friendly. For all we know he knows he only has a couple years left and wants the security of a big signing bonus and guaranteed money. Playing year to year is too much of a risk and would be moronic on his part. Especially given his age.

AsylumGuido 08-12-2016 08:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 712083)
Think what some are concerned for is dead, guaranteed money against the salary cap in years he may not play...

For those of you in your twenties and thirties, especially those who are feeling their oats in their late thirties - they dry up quick...

Drew may honestly feel he can continue to do this another four years, those older know better...

Have no problem paying him major dinero year-year; that way, if he's still elite, he gets his, if not, he leaves and the team isn't hampered with dead money...

But I think we'd all agree, especially after these past two seasons, we don't want big contracts with empty lockers...
I'm older, much older, and I have no doubt Brees can play out another four year contract at a high level. You see, I may be pushin' sixty, but I am not so stuck in the past that I base the physical capability of an athlete in 2016 based upon 1980 standards. Try joining the twenty-first century. You may enjoy it.

:lol:

neugey 08-12-2016 09:56 PM
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They need to pay Brees now if they're gonna do it. Brees is only going to have more leverage if this gets to eleventh hour.

voodooido 08-12-2016 10:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 712081)
You don't have to be. You won't be paying for him. Some of you act like these players are payed with tax dollars.
First off, the word is PAID. Second, I do pay for him. I go to games, which have gotten insanely expensive. I watch the games, buy the team shirts and so on. With that said I still would like to pay him. I just hate that paying him will take away from filling other holes. I say offer him 22 million a year over 4 years. If he refuses then move on. Cousins will cost around 15-18 million a year and he is much younger. Sign him as a FA next year and use the left over to build the trenches.

lee909 08-12-2016 11:06 PM
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No way Cousins is coming anywhere under 29ml next year. At least 10-12 teams need a good QB in this league. It would be madness not to pay Brees up to $25ml a year. Great QB hit the FA market ince in a blue moon. You think Miami are not still kicking themselves they didnt take Brees 1p years down the line

SaintFanInATLHELL 08-12-2016 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 712101)
First off, the word is PAID. Second, I do pay for him. I go to games, which have gotten insanely expensive. I watch the games, buy the team shirts and so on. With that said I still would like to pay him. I just hate that paying him will take away from filling other holes. I say offer him 22 million a year over 4 years. If he refuses then move on. Cousins will cost around 15-18 million a year and he is much younger. Sign him as a FA next year and use the left over to build the trenches.
Two things:

1. Don't bother to insult Brees with $22 million/4 years unless the team plans to guarantee the entire $88 million. That offer simply doesn't come close to matching the current market.

2. If Cousins has another year close to the one he had last year, his market is going to jump to $24 million. easily.

If you keep watching long enough you realize that the teams have little leverage here. It's only youth or injury that moves QB at the elite level. Remember that injury is how Brees got to New Orleans. Same with Manning going to Denver.

Youth causes movement also. This article ranks all potential starting QBs this year:

2016 NFL QB Tier Rankings - ABC News

Here's a blurb on the discussion on Brock Osweller:
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"I wouldn't have minded if he stayed in Denver," said a head coach whose team faces the Broncos this season. "If he was any good, they would not have let him go. That is one position, especially if your general manager is a quarterback, you don't let that guy go if he is good."
He got out the door because he is young. If he had finished a contract playing and leading the team, Denver would have found the money to keep him.

So the Saints can move on, or they can keep Brees. But in no case is a low ball offer relative to the market going to fly.

SFIAH

burningmetal 08-12-2016 11:46 PM
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I'm not going to predict when or if he signs, or for how much money. I can take a somewhat educated guess just like everyone else on this board. But I'm frankly not interested in playing that game.

All I know is there were a couple of people in particular who had it all figured out before the draft (so they thought) which sparked several debates about what the real reason was for the delay in getting a deal done. Enough time has passed since then for me to declare that those people knew as much as I thought they did. Which is to say, not much. I wouldn't make that statement about someone who was just giving an opinion. But when you state something as if you have inside info, you better be right.

This doesn't mean Drew won't still sign. But there is clearly a lot more to the negotiations than just waiting on the draft picks to sign (considering they all signed a long time ago). I never agreed with that notion, but I couldn't have told you for sure what was going to happen. With the rookies contracts being capped, it didn't make sense to me for the team to wait on that.

We all want to see Drew stay, but I maintain that we can't just write this guy a blank check, essentially, just because of who he is. There still has to be some give and take on both sides if this team is to be competitive. If a fair deal for both can't be done for any reason, then you just have to deal with it and move on. I'm not panicking over this in the least. Life for Saints fans will go on with or without Brees' services and no one plays forever, anyway.

SaintFanInATLHELL 08-13-2016 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 712104)
I'm not going to predict when or if he signs, or for how much money. I can take a somewhat educated guess just like everyone else on this board. But I'm frankly not interested in playing that game.

All I know is there were a couple of people in particular who had it all figured out before the draft (so they thought) which sparked several debates about what the real reason was for the delay in getting a deal done. Enough time has passed since then for me to declare that those people knew as much as I thought they did. Which is to say, not much. I wouldn't make that statement about someone who was just giving an opinion. But when you state something as if you have inside info, you better be right.

This doesn't mean Drew won't still sign. But there is clearly a lot more to the negotiations than just waiting on the draft picks to sign (considering they all signed a long time ago). I never agreed with that notion, but I couldn't have told you for sure what was going to happen. With the rookies contracts being capped, it didn't make sense to me for the team to wait on that.
Anyone who thought that the holdup was rookie contracts are whatever are operating with flawed assumptions. The two flawed assumptions that I've consistently seen over the last 6 months:

1. That this is some type of restructure that the team controls. It's not. It's a negotiation for a new contract. It's just that the Saints can do the extension now because Brees is under contract until next March. After that all bets are off.

2. That Brees is going to see this from a Saints Fan perspective. So somehow the option of accepting a low ball offer, or that there's no way he's going to play elsewhere are part of the equation. This is going to be Brees' last major contract. Up until this moment he is playing at an elite level. He is worth every penny of market value and has 10+ years of Hall of Fame level evidence to show for it.

There is nothing easy about this. Brees' last contract was $100 million, $60 million guaranteed. We all see the $30 million cap number for this year as the residual of that contract. The next one is going to average $25 million a year with much of it guaranteed. That's a tough pill to swallow for the Saints.

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We all want to see Drew stay, but I maintain that we can't just write this guy a blank check, essentially, just because of who he is. There still has to be some give and take on both sides if this team is to be competitive.
The problem isn't that it's a blank check. The problem is that market rate seems like a blank check. Just think about the fact that Luck signed for 6 years/ $140 million/ $47 million guaranteed coming off a dismal season where he missed more than half the season. Where Von Miller, who isn't even a QB, just got $70 million in guaranteed dollars. That's the market. If the Saints choose not to pay it, some other team certainly will.
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If a fair deal for both can't be done for any reason, then you just have to deal with it and move on. I'm not panicking over this in the least. Life for Saints fans will go on with or without Brees' services and no one plays forever, anyway.
I agree to a point. As long as there is a clear understanding that a fair deal for the player is going to have to near market rate, and that the guaranteed money will need to be upped in order to shorten the contract length. Brees isn't likely to get a Luck Type contract because few believe he'll be here 5 or 6 more years after 2016 to play. That's moving into George Blanda territory. Pretty much if a 3 year contract is on the table, then $70-$75 million is the number, and it'll likely have to be all (or nearly all) guaranteed.

As for the money for the rest of the squad, Loomis has been playing the accounting game based on the fact that the cap is going to keep rising. Brees money hasn't kept the Saints from outlaying dollars to Byrd, or Fleener, or fixing Westbank's contract. And that cap is going to keep growing. In fact the Saints will likely save over $5 million on this year's cap if they get a deal done as Brees' cap hit is at $30 million. An extension can put $40 million in Brees pocket and lower the cap to under $25 million at the same time.

Finally, be sure that stadium dollars are not the driving engine for paying the salaries of players. The vast bulk of the dollars are from TV contracts. And expect those contracts to keep pushing the cap, and player salaries because NFL football is like printing money for these networks and their advertisers.

SFIAH

lee909 08-13-2016 12:51 AM
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A three year $75ml is a fair deal,id be more than happy for the team to pay that. I could see it being that but maybe 4 years $100ml too.

The man has to be one of the top paid QB
People need to realise that a 40 year old man who has taken great care of his body today is not like a 40 year old man in 2000. Medical advances and sports recovery have taken massive leaps forward. Of course his arm strength may g slightly in the coming years but we saw o signs of it last year.Of course we would all love him to take a $20ml deal to give more cap space but that doesnt happen

saintshrimp 08-13-2016 01:03 AM
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I love Drew Brees. However I think it may be time to move on after this season. I would love to have him for 3 more years but he is not going to give the team any breaks that isn't the nature of today's athlete it's about the money very few put team goals over the mighty dollor anymore and why should they.Teams aren't loyal to them.

This team has way more needs than just signing Drew Brees.
This team has been paying way too much for mediocre players for years (not saying Brees is mediocre at all)
Alot of you call Loomis a cap genius sorry but he's a idiot when it comes the cap
Sometimes you have to know when to walk away from a player as much as it may hurt and we are at that time with Drew
Drew made a living on the deep ball but last year we all saw that skill was diminishing greatly.the screen pass was the bread and butter

As much as it will hurt us as FANS this team needs to start planning for life after Brees because when theses you kids we have now really reach their prime Drew will be long gone and they will have a QB that will not be able to take advantage of their talent

lee909 08-13-2016 01:27 AM
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Who do you replace him with though?
Teams spend decades trying to find a QB

The issue isn't Brees deal its the overpaying others

saintshrimp 08-13-2016 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 712111)
Who do you replace him with though?
Teams spend decades trying to find a QB

The issue isn't Brees deal its the overpaying others
They should keep a watchful Eye on Josh Rosen from UCLA only a Soph. But looks like he's gonna be special in the coming years

lee909 08-13-2016 06:34 AM
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I will next year
I didnt see any college ball last year

spkb25 08-13-2016 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 712110)
I love Drew Brees. However I think it may be time to move on after this season. I would love to have him for 3 more years but he is not going to give the team any breaks that isn't the nature of today's athlete it's about the money very few put team goals over the mighty dollor anymore and why should they.Teams aren't loyal to them.

This team has way more needs than just signing Drew Brees.
This team has been paying way too much for mediocre players for years (not saying Brees is mediocre at all)
Alot of you call Loomis a cap genius sorry but he's a idiot when it comes the cap
Sometimes you have to know when to walk away from a player as much as it may hurt and we are at that time with Drew
Drew made a living on the deep ball but last year we all saw that skill was diminishing greatly.the screen pass was the bread and butter

As much as it will hurt us as FANS this team needs to start planning for life after Brees because when theses you kids we have now really reach their prime Drew will be long gone and they will have a QB that will not be able to take advantage of their talent
Drew brees is going no where. He will be here and he will get 25 mil a season

AsylumGuido 08-13-2016 01:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 712110)
I love Drew Brees. However I think it may be time to move on after this season. I would love to have him for 3 more years but he is not going to give the team any breaks that isn't the nature of today's athlete it's about the money very few put team goals over the mighty dollor anymore and why should they.Teams aren't loyal to them.

This team has way more needs than just signing Drew Brees.
This team has been paying way too much for mediocre players for years (not saying Brees is mediocre at all)
Alot of you call Loomis a cap genius sorry but he's a idiot when it comes the cap
Sometimes you have to know when to walk away from a player as much as it may hurt and we are at that time with Drew
Drew made a living on the deep ball but last year we all saw that skill was diminishing greatly.the screen pass was the bread and butter

As much as it will hurt us as FANS this team needs to start planning for life after Brees because when theses you kids we have now really reach their prime Drew will be long gone and they will have a QB that will not be able to take advantage of their talent
All I can say is I am having a hell of a time finding anything you just stated that I can agree with. It's almost as if you are posting from some sort of Bizarro universe. :shock:

spkb25 08-13-2016 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 712166)
All I can say is I am having a hell of a time finding anything you just stated that I can agree with. It's almost as if you are posting from some sort of Bizarro universe. :shock:
Okay I am trying to put Bizzaro in here

Danno 08-13-2016 02:04 PM
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He'll get market value, we'll pay market value.
I'm not worried at all.

Rugby Saint II 08-13-2016 02:21 PM
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The man's got a family to feed........pay the man so his kids can eat.

WillSaints81 08-13-2016 04:19 PM
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Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.

Danno 08-13-2016 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 712190)
Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.
But he hasn't reached that next level yet. He's still at that good but not great level.

Seer1 08-13-2016 06:01 PM
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Ahhh, time for the defense to carry the load for a while. Let's start going the way of the Broncos instead.

spkb25 08-13-2016 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 712190)
Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.
guess it will help not to be paying Junior still...there's about 25-30 million being spent on former players.

SaintFanInATLHELL 08-13-2016 06:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 712175)
The man's got a family to feed........pay the man so his kids can eat.
I see and appreciate your sarcasm. But in all honesty, the CBA mandates those dollars be paid to players. From: NFL halfway to $25B goal - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global

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... the NFL will be paying players $6.4 billion in 2016. Under terms of the NFL collective-bargaining agreement, players get between 47 percent and 48 percent of nearly all revenue — so across the 32 teams, that computes to between $13.3 and $13.6 billion in league revenue for the coming year.
That revenue has increased by 60% since 2010.

All of this undergirds the fact that this contract isn't really about the money. QBs like Luck, Palmer, Brady, Eli Manning, and the like are getting similar money.

The contract is about the commitment to a Super Bowl winning, 1st ballot HOF lock, QB that is 38 years old. It is about not being able to allocate those dollars elsewhere and the risk that Brees may not continue to play way above his pay grade.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido 08-13-2016 07:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 712190)
Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.
And your point is?

AsylumGuido 08-13-2016 07:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 712208)
guess it will help not to be paying Junior still...there's about 25-30 million being spent on former players.
Not even close. After this season there is only $1.3 million in dead money remaining against the cap. Everything but $1.3M for Browner and $1,000 for Jack Tapp remains. That is no longer any excuse. The Saints are going to be a great cap shape moving forward. They could pay Brees $40M per year if they wanted and still be fine.

SaintFanInATLHELL 08-13-2016 09:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 712190)
Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 712214)
And your point is?
The point seems to be if that if the Saints pay Brees, then there will not be money available to pay Cooks. But it misses a few key points:

1. Cooks has a 5th year option. So he won't be a free agent until 2019.
2. It's likely that Brees' next contract will be 3 years. So there will be no overlap.
3. most importantly, as I stated in my other post, NFL revenue and therefore the salary cap is going to continue to skyrocket. According to this site:

http://salarycapcrunch.com/projectin...16-20-seasons/

By the 2019 season the salary cap will be pushing $180 million.

Bottom line is that the NFL is essentially a money tree as long as you don't have a long string of bad picks in free agency.

SFIAH

burningmetal 08-14-2016 01:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 712107)
Anyone who thought that the holdup was rookie contracts are whatever are operating with flawed assumptions. The two flawed assumptions that I've consistently seen over the last 6 months:

1. That this is some type of restructure that the team controls. It's not. It's a negotiation for a new contract. It's just that the Saints can do the extension now because Brees is under contract until next March. After that all bets are off.

2. That Brees is going to see this from a Saints Fan perspective. So somehow the option of accepting a low ball offer, or that there's no way he's going to play elsewhere are part of the equation. This is going to be Brees' last major contract. Up until this moment he is playing at an elite level. He is worth every penny of market value and has 10+ years of Hall of Fame level evidence to show for it.

There is nothing easy about this. Brees' last contract was $100 million, $60 million guaranteed. We all see the $30 million cap number for this year as the residual of that contract. The next one is going to average $25 million a year with much of it guaranteed. That's a tough pill to swallow for the Saints.



The problem isn't that it's a blank check. The problem is that market rate seems like a blank check. Just think about the fact that Luck signed for 6 years/ $140 million/ $47 million guaranteed coming off a dismal season where he missed more than half the season. Where Von Miller, who isn't even a QB, just got $70 million in guaranteed dollars. That's the market. If the Saints choose not to pay it, some other team certainly will.


I agree to a point. As long as there is a clear understanding that a fair deal for the player is going to have to near market rate, and that the guaranteed money will need to be upped in order to shorten the contract length. Brees isn't likely to get a Luck Type contract because few believe he'll be here 5 or 6 more years after 2016 to play. That's moving into George Blanda territory. Pretty much if a 3 year contract is on the table, then $70-$75 million is the number, and it'll likely have to be all (or nearly all) guaranteed.

As for the money for the rest of the squad, Loomis has been playing the accounting game based on the fact that the cap is going to keep rising. Brees money hasn't kept the Saints from outlaying dollars to Byrd, or Fleener, or fixing Westbank's contract. And that cap is going to keep growing. In fact the Saints will likely save over $5 million on this year's cap if they get a deal done as Brees' cap hit is at $30 million. An extension can put $40 million in Brees pocket and lower the cap to under $25 million at the same time.

Finally, be sure that stadium dollars are not the driving engine for paying the salaries of players. The vast bulk of the dollars are from TV contracts. And expect those contracts to keep pushing the cap, and player salaries because NFL football is like printing money for these networks and their advertisers.

SFIAH
I'm well aware of market value. It's been discussed for years and years, and is a secret to no one, at this point. But market "value" is mostly a residual consequence of teams being desperate and over paying. Once they over pay, the bar is set. And when that happens every decent QB, not just the elite, want to negotiate at or above that number, because the precedent is already set that teams will do anything to have stability at the QB position.

Neither Drew nor any other of these guys with 100 million plus contracts have actually "earned" that money. Nothing they do is that important when you compare it to other jobs around the world. So I get highly annoyed by this idea that the team owes Drew something extra because market value has risen since his last deal. They don't owe him anything, he has made plenty. But I get it from his perspective that he can't just take a low ball offer when he could make more elsewhere. So I'm not gonna toilet paper his house if he should leave. It's business. But the Saints have to be reasonable. They can't pay a guy his age like he's 25.

I hear what you are saying about the cap rising, and I have heard that many times from people defending Loomis' tactics. You mentioned a couple players whom the team has signed, but the problem is it's always just a player here, and a player there, each year. I'll admit that I wanted Byrd before he came here, but when I actually saw the contract I was blown away. It was extremely ill-advised to put that much into one player with as many problems as they needed to address on defense.

There never seems to be enough money to go around in free agency. And when they do sign people, it's usually a bad move. I think they over paid for Fleener, for example, but that's just my opinion. It's hard to build through the draft alone. There are so many busts. You need to have a few proven commodities. Many of the key players who were on the '09 team were not drafted by the Saints.

For the past several years Loomis has been deferring money, which has only served to keep the team out of the penalty. I don't consider that very smart business.

burningmetal 08-14-2016 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 712216)
Not even close. After this season there is only $1.3 million in dead money remaining against the cap. Everything but $1.3M for Browner and $1,000 for Jack Tapp remains. That is no longer any excuse. The Saints are going to be a great cap shape moving forward. They could pay Brees $40M per year if they wanted and still be fine.
Really? 40 million, and still be fine? Taking that comment at face value is completely unrealistic, for one. But if it were true, then what now do you suppose is the holdup? I'm not even concerned about him leaving. I'm more curious to see how much meat will be left on the bone when his deal is done. But if they can pay him THAT much, without even having a problem, then what would be the reason to stall? Clearly it isn't that simple.

I'm almost convinced that he could actually leave and some would still insist they know what's going on, and deny that there is any actual issue with the negotiations.

halloween 65 08-14-2016 12:26 PM
Re: Pay Brees!
 
I believe if we don't have a deep, deep playoff run with Brees under C this season then he's not going to be here next season. Another 7-9 or even a 9-7 isn't going to cut it. Could be the FO is waiting to see how things go.


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