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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money. I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out....

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Old 08-15-2016, 06:39 AM   #1
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I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money.

I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out.
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Old 08-15-2016, 09:14 AM   #2
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I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money.

I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out.
This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what.

The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back.

So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm.
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Old 08-15-2016, 10:08 AM   #3
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This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what.

The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back.

So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm.
Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm,

Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post.

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Old 08-15-2016, 10:19 AM   #4
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Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm,

Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post.

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Yup. That's what makes this situation so hairy.
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Old 08-15-2016, 10:39 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money.

I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out.
Maybe it's not money. Maybe he just doesn't want to play with San Diego. Eli did it. He got the trade he was looking for but made it perfectly clear he wasn't playing for San Diego. Elway did the same thing. Or maybe it was Marino. He may say it's money but who knows.
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