Hypothetical Trade Scenario

halloween 65 · 08-15-2016, 09:13 AM

I go after the Cowboy G with Vaccarro as trade bait. Harper and Harris can hold down the SS position and want be any dropoff.

Euphoria · 08-15-2016, 09:33 AM

NO TRADE. Unless we do something with picks from next years draft for him.

Do keep in mind he is a rookie who hasn't taken a snap in the NFL. As a rookie I would think he would be hungry to get on the field and play out a rookie deal so he can cash in on big money... this is just a major delay.

K Major · 08-15-2016, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Then revisit the Dallas trade possibility for guard Ron Leary.

Hagin714,

I'd offer a conditional 7th that can become a 4th if Leary misses no games due to injury & extends his deal with us

.

ScottF · 08-15-2016, 09:56 AM

Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there.
As for the OP, there are multiple reasons it will never happen. But sure, I'd take him any day.

K Major · 08-15-2016, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there.

Wow, what a mess. Bosa & the Chargers are both losing out but this is really hurting the player. They had enough conviction to scout and draft him @ #3, yet hedging on him to fail

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jeanpierre · 08-15-2016, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there.
As for the OP, there are multiple reasons it will never happen. But sure, I'd take him any day.

Originally Posted by K Major

Wow, what a mess. Bosa & the Chargers are both losing out but this is really hurting the player. They had enough conviction to scout and draft him @ #3, yet hedging on him to fail .

And the Bolts wonder why Archie and Eli decided it was best to go to another team?!?

Before anyone says it, I know FO has changed, but that franchise is still dysfunctional...

AsylumGuido · 08-15-2016, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money.

I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out.

This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what.

The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back.

So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm.

AsylumGuido · 08-15-2016, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there.
As for the OP, there are multiple reasons it will never happen. But sure, I'd take him any day.

No, precedence is there. Jameis Winston had the offset language AND $6 million of his bonus deferred to March.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-15-2016, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what.

The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back.

So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm.

Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm,

Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 08-15-2016, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm,

Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post.

SFIAH

Yup. That's what makes this situation so hairy.

08-15-2016, 09:13 AM	#11
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario I go after the Cowboy G with Vaccarro as trade bait. Harper and Harris can hold down the SS position and want be any dropoff.

08-15-2016, 09:33 AM	#12
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario NO TRADE. Unless we do something with picks from next years draft for him. Do keep in mind he is a rookie who hasn't taken a snap in the NFL. As a rookie I would think he would be hungry to get on the field and play out a rookie deal so he can cash in on big money... this is just a major delay. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

08-15-2016, 09:45 AM	#13
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by hagan714 Then revisit the Dallas trade possibility for guard Ron Leary. Hagin714, I'd offer a conditional 7th that can become a 4th if Leary misses no games due to injury & extends his deal with us . hagan714 likes this.

08-15-2016, 09:56 AM	#14
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there. As for the OP, there are multiple reasons it will never happen. But sure, I'd take him any day. hagan714 likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by ScottF Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there. Wow, what a mess. Bosa & the Chargers are both losing out but this is really hurting the player. They had enough conviction to scout and draft him @ #3, yet hedging on him to fail . darstep and jeanpierre like this.

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08-15-2016, 10:14 AM	#16
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by ScottF Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there. As for the OP, there are multiple reasons it will never happen. But sure, I'd take him any day. Originally Posted by K Major Wow, what a mess. Bosa & the Chargers are both losing out but this is really hurting the player. They had enough conviction to scout and draft him @ #3, yet hedging on him to fail . And the Bolts wonder why Archie and Eli decided it was best to go to another team?!? Before anyone says it, I know FO has changed, but that franchise is still dysfunctional... Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-15-2016, 10:14 AM	#17
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by dizzle88 I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money. I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out. This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what. The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back. So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-15-2016, 10:16 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by ScottF Bosa is getting screwed, as the Chargers are claiming precedence that is not there. As for the OP, there are multiple reasons it will never happen. But sure, I'd take him any day. No, precedence is there. Jameis Winston had the offset language AND $6 million of his bonus deferred to March.

08-15-2016, 11:08 AM	#19
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what. The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back. So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm. Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm, Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post. SFIAH

08-15-2016, 11:19 AM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm, Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post. SFIAH Yup. That's what makes this situation so hairy.

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