Hypothetical Trade Scenario

Saintaintso · 08-14-2016, 11:46 PM

No , not Drew ... Byrd

Would you move him for Joey Bosa ?

lee909 · 08-15-2016, 12:23 AM

Well we cant afford to pay his guaranteed money off snd there is noway in hell thr Chargers would do yhe deal

jeanpierre · 08-15-2016, 12:55 AM

It would have to be a sign and trade, but guys that hold out usually do so because they know they don't have it in 'em to last in the NFL and are trying to get max dollars because they're exposed...

And then there's the obvious, after developing Edebali, Gwachum, and with friendlier contracts, would you just cut one loose for a roster spot on an unproven malcontent?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-15-2016, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

No , not Drew ... Byrd

Would you move him for Joey Bosa ?

Um you are aware that the rookie trade deadline has come and gone, yes?

Bosa will sign and play for San Diego or he will sit out a year a go back into the draft in 2017 losing a year of experience towards freee agency.

BTW does San Diego even need a safety?

SFIAH

MatthewT · 08-15-2016, 04:39 AM

I was hoping by some miracle Bosa would fall to the Saints. I do not understand each side of this hold out, but it is a serious red flag for that guy when a hold out occurs with the system that is in place today.

lee909 · 08-15-2016, 05:57 AM

Something ive been wondering

If Bosa doesn't sign and goes back into the draft do the Chargers get compensated?

dizzle88 · 08-15-2016, 06:39 AM

I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money.

I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out.

AsylumGuido · 08-15-2016, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money.

I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out.

This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what.

The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back.

So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-15-2016, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what.

The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back.

So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm.

Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm,

Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 08-15-2016, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm,

Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post.

SFIAH

Yup. That's what makes this situation so hairy.

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08-15-2016, 12:23 AM	#2
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Well we cant afford to pay his guaranteed money off snd there is noway in hell thr Chargers would do yhe deal

08-15-2016, 12:55 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario It would have to be a sign and trade, but guys that hold out usually do so because they know they don't have it in 'em to last in the NFL and are trying to get max dollars because they're exposed... And then there's the obvious, after developing Edebali, Gwachum, and with friendlier contracts, would you just cut one loose for a roster spot on an unproven malcontent? halloween 65 likes this.

08-15-2016, 01:20 AM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by Saintaintso No , not Drew ... Byrd Would you move him for Joey Bosa ? Um you are aware that the rookie trade deadline has come and gone, yes? Bosa will sign and play for San Diego or he will sit out a year a go back into the draft in 2017 losing a year of experience towards freee agency. BTW does San Diego even need a safety? SFIAH

08-15-2016, 04:39 AM	#5
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario I was hoping by some miracle Bosa would fall to the Saints. I do not understand each side of this hold out, but it is a serious red flag for that guy when a hold out occurs with the system that is in place today.

08-15-2016, 05:57 AM	#6
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Something ive been wondering If Bosa doesn't sign and goes back into the draft do the Chargers get compensated?

08-15-2016, 06:39 AM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money. I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out.

08-15-2016, 09:14 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,569	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by dizzle88 I don't understand how a rookie that has never played an NFL snap can hold out for more money. I was annoyed when Sedrick Ellis did it, especially considering the way he turned out. This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what. The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back. So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm. Rugby Saint II likes this.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

08-15-2016, 10:08 AM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is way different than the Ellis deal. That was pre-CBA when contract amounts could be negotiated. Rookie pay is now slotted. So, Bosa's not holding out for more money. He's fighting over HOW the money is to be paid. His agent is fighting the contract on two contract terms. The first is over the $17 million signing bonus. The Chargers want a portion of it to be delayed until March 2017, while Bosa's agent wants it all paid upfront. What's the big deal you ask? Six months' interest on $8.5 million. That's what. The second term being argued is the offset language (new under the CBA) which would give the Chargers financial relief if Bosa is released prior to his contract expiring and Bosa signing with a new team. To take affect this has to be agreed upon by both parties. If Bosa accepts the term it would affect his value on the open market. Most teams have apparently avoided this tactic or have not had much fight back. So, what this comes down to is much like the Brees "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the second franchise designation, and the Graham "holdout", when the NFLPA was challenging the player position designation. The is not Bosa being some greedy hardass, it is the NFL hierarchy settling to a norm. Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm, Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post. SFIAH

08-15-2016, 10:19 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,569	Re: Hypothetical Trade Scenario Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Not the NFL hierachy. It has been pointed out that every other top 5 pick since the new CBA in 2012 has either had the bonus paid in full the first year and/or the offset language removed. This is specifically the Chargers trying to set a new norm, Update: I wasn't aware of Winston's contract until I read Guido's post. SFIAH Yup. That's what makes this situation so hairy.

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