Saints/Texans evaluation

RailBoss · 08-21-2016, 01:27 PM

Were all seeing the same thing:
The ball handling is a major concern early on.
Improvement on the D is evident and the key to our success.
SP can fix the Offense that part is in his wheelhouse.
Kicking game again will be a concern.

WhoDatFan26 · 08-21-2016, 01:30 PM

I say we start Turner and Young with the first team. It can't be any worse than Peat and Strief at this point. I mean, if Strief fails, then Peat slides over. Does anyone feel comfortable with that scenario? We should've taken Collins when we had the chance last draft. This Peat pick will haunt us for the next 2 seasons.

|Mitch| · 08-21-2016, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Does anyone feel comfortable with that scenario?

I'd feel okay with Peat at RT; Brees has fantastic pocket awareness and that's not his blindside. Screens in that direction would be marginally better...

dizzle88 · 08-21-2016, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Defense - PLayed well for the most part, especially considering the futility of our offense. We handled their run game very well and even though our offense was fairly lifeless, we still held them to 16 points.

Are CB's looked to me to be exactly who we thought they were. Very talented, fast, aggressive... and very young. A few uh-ohs in the this game were to be expected. I think this is a very talented young group. I just hope they grow up fast.

I'm hoping our Oline issues were due to it being pre-season, moving players to multiple positions, not game planning, blah blah blah.
Perhaps it was played that way for specific evaluation purposes only. If what we saw was anything close to what we'll see in 3 weeks, we're in big trouble.

Finally, after the Pats game the coaches put extra emphasis on ball security. And the very 1st time we touch the ball we fumble? Seriously? Payton had to be absolutely furious.

I think Hightower just took the lead for the final RB spot. Murphy better shine brightly in the last two games or I think he's a goner.

Thoughts?

I haven't listened to Payton's Presser but apparently when asked abour Murphy's fumble he said "We'll find another returner...."

If the quote is true, that is pretty much a death sentence to Murphy's time as a Saint.

He is only a kick and punt returner, Payton will not let him on offense when he can't even hold onto a punt.

PJ Williams responded nicely, he's young and growing pains are to be expected. He needed to turn and locate the ball when he got beat but responded nicely later with a pick in the endzone.

Young, hungry and have potential, they will improve.

I think Peat should follow Murphy out the door, never seen a less aggressive looking O lineman in my life.

dizzle88 · 08-21-2016, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'd feel okay with Peat at RT; Brees has fantastic pocket awareness and that's not his blindside. Screens in that direction would be marginally better...

If Peat starts at RT, week 1 is Kalil Mack and we'd be putting Brees on IR by the end of the first quarter.

Danno · 08-21-2016, 02:47 PM

I think it's too early to give up on Peat, but he's actually looking worse, not better.
What's frustrating is that a good OG is typically easier to find than OT and OC

Rugby Saint II · 08-21-2016, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

At least we didn't have any injuries. Yea...

I predict we win the 4th preseason game if we don't have 4+ turnovers.

You! Shut Up! Don't you dare jinx this teams health!

RailBoss · 08-21-2016, 04:53 PM

Probably should look at Devin Hester he's a FA.

jeanpierre · 08-21-2016, 06:20 PM

Another positive from the game...

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The Dude · 08-21-2016, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I wouldn't give Murphy another chance; I'd give his spot to Lasco... and let Spiller/TommyLee Lewis return punts and kicks

Everytime I see your avatar I think you are nolaswammi. Then I read your post and realize it is way to coherent to be him. Then I see its you.

Anyway I think the line is a problem. Everyone keeps saying that Peat gets a pass because he had had to play every position on the line and they won't just let him settle into one. I think the reason they keep moving him around is because he sucks at all of them and the coaches hope that if he keeps moving around maybe a lightbulb will go on for him at one of them. They are trying their damndest to make him fit so they don't have to accept the reality it was a blown pick.
I think we will have a veteran lineman signed this week. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Ingram trade. He's got value and they can say his lack of production this preseason is due to the Oline hence the trade.
I just don't know if Hightower is up to the task of taking his spot. We have developed RBs very well under Payton, usually UDFA. I didn't see any of the other running backs do any worse of a job than Ingram.

I really like Ingram so this doesn't come from a place of emotion, it just seems to make sense. More so than trading MCowin or Grayson.

08-21-2016, 01:27 PM	#11
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Were all seeing the same thing: The ball handling is a major concern early on. Improvement on the D is evident and the key to our success. SP can fix the Offense that part is in his wheelhouse. Kicking game again will be a concern. Danno likes this.

08-21-2016, 01:30 PM	#12
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation I say we start Turner and Young with the first team. It can't be any worse than Peat and Strief at this point. I mean, if Strief fails, then Peat slides over. Does anyone feel comfortable with that scenario? We should've taken Collins when we had the chance last draft. This Peat pick will haunt us for the next 2 seasons.
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08-21-2016, 01:34 PM	#13
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 Does anyone feel comfortable with that scenario? I'd feel okay with Peat at RT; Brees has fantastic pocket awareness and that's not his blindside. Screens in that direction would be marginally better...

08-21-2016, 02:24 PM	#14
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by Danno Defense - PLayed well for the most part, especially considering the futility of our offense. We handled their run game very well and even though our offense was fairly lifeless, we still held them to 16 points. Are CB's looked to me to be exactly who we thought they were. Very talented, fast, aggressive... and very young. A few uh-ohs in the this game were to be expected. I think this is a very talented young group. I just hope they grow up fast. I'm hoping our Oline issues were due to it being pre-season, moving players to multiple positions, not game planning, blah blah blah. Perhaps it was played that way for specific evaluation purposes only. If what we saw was anything close to what we'll see in 3 weeks, we're in big trouble. Finally, after the Pats game the coaches put extra emphasis on ball security. And the very 1st time we touch the ball we fumble? Seriously? Payton had to be absolutely furious. I think Hightower just took the lead for the final RB spot. Murphy better shine brightly in the last two games or I think he's a goner. Thoughts? I haven't listened to Payton's Presser but apparently when asked abour Murphy's fumble he said "We'll find another returner...." If the quote is true, that is pretty much a death sentence to Murphy's time as a Saint. He is only a kick and punt returner, Payton will not let him on offense when he can't even hold onto a punt. PJ Williams responded nicely, he's young and growing pains are to be expected. He needed to turn and locate the ball when he got beat but responded nicely later with a pick in the endzone. Young, hungry and have potential, they will improve. I think Peat should follow Murphy out the door, never seen a less aggressive looking O lineman in my life. Danno and ChrisXVI like this.
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08-21-2016, 02:26 PM	#15
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'd feel okay with Peat at RT; Brees has fantastic pocket awareness and that's not his blindside. Screens in that direction would be marginally better... If Peat starts at RT, week 1 is Kalil Mack and we'd be putting Brees on IR by the end of the first quarter.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation I think it's too early to give up on Peat, but he's actually looking worse, not better. What's frustrating is that a good OG is typically easier to find than OT and OC

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