Saints/Texans evaluation

halloween 65 · 08-21-2016, 12:15 PM

Giving up double picks in the draft don't help !! I like the players we drafted but there were good players that could have eased some of the problems we're having. I've wanted to address these problems 3 years and counting. Now 2 have to step up from somewhere to settle the G position this season and RT next season. I don't see much progression in building a solid O-line it's more of right here right now with crossing the fingers and hoping. I'm still not on board with the D, playing solid contenders will tell that tale.

foreverfan · 08-21-2016, 12:16 PM

At least we didn't have any injuries. Yea...

I predict we win the 4th preseason game if we don't have 4+ turnovers.

Rugby Saint II · 08-21-2016, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

At least we didn't have any injuries. Yea...

I predict we win the 4th preseason game if we don't have 4+ turnovers.

You! Shut Up! Don't you dare jinx this teams health!

RailBoss · 08-21-2016, 12:27 PM

Were all seeing the same thing:
The ball handling is a major concern early on.
Improvement on the D is evident and the key to our success.
SP can fix the Offense that part is in his wheelhouse.
Kicking game again will be a concern.

WhoDatFan26 · 08-21-2016, 12:30 PM

I say we start Turner and Young with the first team. It can't be any worse than Peat and Strief at this point. I mean, if Strief fails, then Peat slides over. Does anyone feel comfortable with that scenario? We should've taken Collins when we had the chance last draft. This Peat pick will haunt us for the next 2 seasons.

|Mitch| · 08-21-2016, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Does anyone feel comfortable with that scenario?

I'd feel okay with Peat at RT; Brees has fantastic pocket awareness and that's not his blindside. Screens in that direction would be marginally better...

dizzle88 · 08-21-2016, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'd feel okay with Peat at RT; Brees has fantastic pocket awareness and that's not his blindside. Screens in that direction would be marginally better...

If Peat starts at RT, week 1 is Kalil Mack and we'd be putting Brees on IR by the end of the first quarter.

dizzle88 · 08-21-2016, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Defense - PLayed well for the most part, especially considering the futility of our offense. We handled their run game very well and even though our offense was fairly lifeless, we still held them to 16 points.

Are CB's looked to me to be exactly who we thought they were. Very talented, fast, aggressive... and very young. A few uh-ohs in the this game were to be expected. I think this is a very talented young group. I just hope they grow up fast.

I'm hoping our Oline issues were due to it being pre-season, moving players to multiple positions, not game planning, blah blah blah.
Perhaps it was played that way for specific evaluation purposes only. If what we saw was anything close to what we'll see in 3 weeks, we're in big trouble.

Finally, after the Pats game the coaches put extra emphasis on ball security. And the very 1st time we touch the ball we fumble? Seriously? Payton had to be absolutely furious.

I think Hightower just took the lead for the final RB spot. Murphy better shine brightly in the last two games or I think he's a goner.

Thoughts?

I haven't listened to Payton's Presser but apparently when asked abour Murphy's fumble he said "We'll find another returner...."

If the quote is true, that is pretty much a death sentence to Murphy's time as a Saint.

He is only a kick and punt returner, Payton will not let him on offense when he can't even hold onto a punt.

PJ Williams responded nicely, he's young and growing pains are to be expected. He needed to turn and locate the ball when he got beat but responded nicely later with a pick in the endzone.

Young, hungry and have potential, they will improve.

I think Peat should follow Murphy out the door, never seen a less aggressive looking O lineman in my life.

Danno · 08-21-2016, 01:47 PM

I think it's too early to give up on Peat, but he's actually looking worse, not better.
What's frustrating is that a good OG is typically easier to find than OT and OC

RailBoss · 08-21-2016, 03:53 PM

Probably should look at Devin Hester he's a FA.

08-21-2016, 12:15 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Giving up double picks in the draft don't help !! I like the players we drafted but there were good players that could have eased some of the problems we're having. I've wanted to address these problems 3 years and counting. Now 2 have to step up from somewhere to settle the G position this season and RT next season. I don't see much progression in building a solid O-line it's more of right here right now with crossing the fingers and hoping. I'm still not on board with the D, playing solid contenders will tell that tale.

08-21-2016, 12:16 PM	#2
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation At least we didn't have any injuries. Yea... I predict we win the 4th preseason game if we don't have 4+ turnovers.

08-21-2016, 01:47 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,189	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by foreverfan At least we didn't have any injuries. Yea... I predict we win the 4th preseason game if we don't have 4+ turnovers. You! Shut Up! Don't you dare jinx this teams health!

08-21-2016, 12:27 PM	#4
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Were all seeing the same thing: The ball handling is a major concern early on. Improvement on the D is evident and the key to our success. SP can fix the Offense that part is in his wheelhouse. Kicking game again will be a concern. Danno likes this.

08-21-2016, 12:30 PM	#5
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation I say we start Turner and Young with the first team. It can't be any worse than Peat and Strief at this point. I mean, if Strief fails, then Peat slides over. Does anyone feel comfortable with that scenario? We should've taken Collins when we had the chance last draft. This Peat pick will haunt us for the next 2 seasons.
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08-21-2016, 12:34 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 Does anyone feel comfortable with that scenario? I'd feel okay with Peat at RT; Brees has fantastic pocket awareness and that's not his blindside. Screens in that direction would be marginally better...

08-21-2016, 01:26 PM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,542	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'd feel okay with Peat at RT; Brees has fantastic pocket awareness and that's not his blindside. Screens in that direction would be marginally better... If Peat starts at RT, week 1 is Kalil Mack and we'd be putting Brees on IR by the end of the first quarter.

08-21-2016, 01:24 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,542	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by Danno Defense - PLayed well for the most part, especially considering the futility of our offense. We handled their run game very well and even though our offense was fairly lifeless, we still held them to 16 points. Are CB's looked to me to be exactly who we thought they were. Very talented, fast, aggressive... and very young. A few uh-ohs in the this game were to be expected. I think this is a very talented young group. I just hope they grow up fast. I'm hoping our Oline issues were due to it being pre-season, moving players to multiple positions, not game planning, blah blah blah. Perhaps it was played that way for specific evaluation purposes only. If what we saw was anything close to what we'll see in 3 weeks, we're in big trouble. Finally, after the Pats game the coaches put extra emphasis on ball security. And the very 1st time we touch the ball we fumble? Seriously? Payton had to be absolutely furious. I think Hightower just took the lead for the final RB spot. Murphy better shine brightly in the last two games or I think he's a goner. Thoughts? I haven't listened to Payton's Presser but apparently when asked abour Murphy's fumble he said "We'll find another returner...." If the quote is true, that is pretty much a death sentence to Murphy's time as a Saint. He is only a kick and punt returner, Payton will not let him on offense when he can't even hold onto a punt. PJ Williams responded nicely, he's young and growing pains are to be expected. He needed to turn and locate the ball when he got beat but responded nicely later with a pick in the endzone. Young, hungry and have potential, they will improve. I think Peat should follow Murphy out the door, never seen a less aggressive looking O lineman in my life. Danno and ChrisXVI like this.
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08-21-2016, 01:47 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation I think it's too early to give up on Peat, but he's actually looking worse, not better. What's frustrating is that a good OG is typically easier to find than OT and OC

08-21-2016, 03:53 PM	#10
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Probably should look at Devin Hester he's a FA. dizzle88 likes this.

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