Saints/Texans evaluation

Danno · 08-21-2016, 09:34 AM

Defense - PLayed well for the most part, especially considering the futility of our offense. We handled their run game very well and even though our offense was fairly lifeless, we still held them to 16 points.

Are CB's looked to me to be exactly who we thought they were. Very talented, fast, aggressive... and very young. A few uh-ohs in the this game were to be expected. I think this is a very talented young group. I just hope they grow up fast.

I'm hoping our Oline issues were due to it being pre-season, moving players to multiple positions, not game planning, blah blah blah.
Perhaps it was played that way for specific evaluation purposes only. If what we saw was anything close to what we'll see in 3 weeks, we're in big trouble.

Finally, after the Pats game the coaches put extra emphasis on ball security. And the very 1st time we touch the ball we fumble? Seriously? Payton had to be absolutely furious.

I think Hightower just took the lead for the final RB spot. Murphy better shine brightly in the last two games or I think he's a goner.

Thoughts?

spkb25 · 08-21-2016, 09:40 AM

oline stinks. Need guards, peat is either going to bust or is lost because they will not allow him to settle into one position. either way the oline is bad.
running game is horrid. there are no holes and this is again the oline.
every time you build you should build both lines first.

Mr.Riaton · 08-21-2016, 10:13 AM

Y'all pretty much covered it all. You would think that because we sucked at running the ball, we would've ran more in this game. Who cares if we go 3 and out every series...its pre-season. I am very excited about our D though.

|Mitch| · 08-21-2016, 10:18 AM

I wouldn't give Murphy another chance; I'd give his spot to Lasco... and let Spiller/TommyLee Lewis return punts and kicks

The Dude · 08-21-2016, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I wouldn't give Murphy another chance; I'd give his spot to Lasco... and let Spiller/TommyLee Lewis return punts and kicks

Everytime I see your avatar I think you are nolaswammi. Then I read your post and realize it is way to coherent to be him. Then I see its you.

Anyway I think the line is a problem. Everyone keeps saying that Peat gets a pass because he had had to play every position on the line and they won't just let him settle into one. I think the reason they keep moving him around is because he sucks at all of them and the coaches hope that if he keeps moving around maybe a lightbulb will go on for him at one of them. They are trying their damndest to make him fit so they don't have to accept the reality it was a blown pick.
I think we will have a veteran lineman signed this week. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Ingram trade. He's got value and they can say his lack of production this preseason is due to the Oline hence the trade.
I just don't know if Hightower is up to the task of taking his spot. We have developed RBs very well under Payton, usually UDFA. I didn't see any of the other running backs do any worse of a job than Ingram.

I really like Ingram so this doesn't come from a place of emotion, it just seems to make sense. More so than trading MCowin or Grayson.

darstep · 08-21-2016, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Everytime I see your avatar I think you are nolaswammi. Then I read your post and realize it is way to coherent to be him. Then I see its you.

Anyway I think the line is a problem. Everyone keeps saying that Peat gets a pass because he had had to play every position on the line and they won't just let him settle into one. I think the reason they keep moving him around is because he sucks at all of them and the coaches hope that if he keeps moving around maybe a lightbulb will go on for him at one of them. They are trying their damndest to make him fit so they don't have to accept the reality it was a blown pick.
I think we will have a veteran lineman signed this week. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Ingram trade. He's got value and they can say his lack of production this preseason is due to the Oline hence the trade.
I just don't know if Hightower is up to the task of taking his spot. We have developed RBs very well under Payton, usually UDFA. I didn't see any of the other running backs do any worse of a job than Ingram.

I really like Ingram so this doesn't come from a place of emotion, it just seems to make sense. More so than trading MCowin or Grayson.

Our OLine just simply has no push; and that's nothing new.
It doesn't even matter who the back is.
I've never been excited about Ingram, but he's suffering the same fate as the rest.
Can't even get up to the line of scrimmage without obstruction.
This group is also lacking 3rd-and-1 high percentage capabilities.
They can't even get it done when the box is relaxed on 1st-and-10.
I know its early.
But the fundamental fire in the belly to drive your man off the ball just isn't there.
I think we are going to end up back to the pseudo running game.
Again.

44Champs · 08-21-2016, 10:21 AM

I'll say it again - Saints made a mistake drafting Peat if they had no intention of playing him at LT. He is NOT a Guard!

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blackangold · 08-21-2016, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

I'll say it again - Saints made a mistake drafting Peat if they had no intention of playing him at LT. He is NOT a Guard!

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Ironically he struggles the most at RT/LT.... He got completely bullied playing LT.

He is average at best playing OG. No doubt a bust for a 1st round pick.

K Major · 08-21-2016, 11:17 AM

Dan Roushar and coach Payton really need to rethink the "Jack of all trades" project with Peat. Pre season or not, this O line worries me . Someone is going to seriously injure Drew if they don't get it figured out.

Peat looks really bad and Clowney clowned Zach.

The defense is headed in the right direction though.

|Mitch| · 08-21-2016, 12:11 PM

I just realized we had 4 sacks (Bell, Wilson, Fairley)... Whens the last time we had a 4 sack game?

08-21-2016, 09:34 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Saints/Texans evaluation Defense - PLayed well for the most part, especially considering the futility of our offense. We handled their run game very well and even though our offense was fairly lifeless, we still held them to 16 points. Are CB's looked to me to be exactly who we thought they were. Very talented, fast, aggressive... and very young. A few uh-ohs in the this game were to be expected. I think this is a very talented young group. I just hope they grow up fast. I'm hoping our Oline issues were due to it being pre-season, moving players to multiple positions, not game planning, blah blah blah. Perhaps it was played that way for specific evaluation purposes only. If what we saw was anything close to what we'll see in 3 weeks, we're in big trouble. Finally, after the Pats game the coaches put extra emphasis on ball security. And the very 1st time we touch the ball we fumble? Seriously? Payton had to be absolutely furious. I think Hightower just took the lead for the final RB spot. Murphy better shine brightly in the last two games or I think he's a goner. Thoughts? Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-21-2016, 09:40 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation oline stinks. Need guards, peat is either going to bust or is lost because they will not allow him to settle into one position. either way the oline is bad. running game is horrid. there are no holes and this is again the oline. every time you build you should build both lines first. Rugby Saint II, MarchingOn and WhoDatFan26 like this.

08-21-2016, 10:13 AM	#3
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,287	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Y'all pretty much covered it all. You would think that because we sucked at running the ball, we would've ran more in this game. Who cares if we go 3 and out every series...its pre-season. I am very excited about our D though. foreverfan likes this.

08-21-2016, 10:18 AM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation I wouldn't give Murphy another chance; I'd give his spot to Lasco... and let Spiller/TommyLee Lewis return punts and kicks The Dude and MarchingOn like this.

08-21-2016, 05:49 PM	#5
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I wouldn't give Murphy another chance; I'd give his spot to Lasco... and let Spiller/TommyLee Lewis return punts and kicks Everytime I see your avatar I think you are nolaswammi. Then I read your post and realize it is way to coherent to be him. Then I see its you. Anyway I think the line is a problem. Everyone keeps saying that Peat gets a pass because he had had to play every position on the line and they won't just let him settle into one. I think the reason they keep moving him around is because he sucks at all of them and the coaches hope that if he keeps moving around maybe a lightbulb will go on for him at one of them. They are trying their damndest to make him fit so they don't have to accept the reality it was a blown pick. I think we will have a veteran lineman signed this week. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Ingram trade. He's got value and they can say his lack of production this preseason is due to the Oline hence the trade. I just don't know if Hightower is up to the task of taking his spot. We have developed RBs very well under Payton, usually UDFA. I didn't see any of the other running backs do any worse of a job than Ingram. I really like Ingram so this doesn't come from a place of emotion, it just seems to make sense. More so than trading MCowin or Grayson.
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08-21-2016, 10:38 PM	#6
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by The Dude Everytime I see your avatar I think you are nolaswammi. Then I read your post and realize it is way to coherent to be him. Then I see its you. Anyway I think the line is a problem. Everyone keeps saying that Peat gets a pass because he had had to play every position on the line and they won't just let him settle into one. I think the reason they keep moving him around is because he sucks at all of them and the coaches hope that if he keeps moving around maybe a lightbulb will go on for him at one of them. They are trying their damndest to make him fit so they don't have to accept the reality it was a blown pick. I think we will have a veteran lineman signed this week. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Ingram trade. He's got value and they can say his lack of production this preseason is due to the Oline hence the trade. I just don't know if Hightower is up to the task of taking his spot. We have developed RBs very well under Payton, usually UDFA. I didn't see any of the other running backs do any worse of a job than Ingram. I really like Ingram so this doesn't come from a place of emotion, it just seems to make sense. More so than trading MCowin or Grayson. Our OLine just simply has no push; and that's nothing new. It doesn't even matter who the back is. I've never been excited about Ingram, but he's suffering the same fate as the rest. Can't even get up to the line of scrimmage without obstruction. This group is also lacking 3rd-and-1 high percentage capabilities. They can't even get it done when the box is relaxed on 1st-and-10. I know its early. But the fundamental fire in the belly to drive your man off the ball just isn't there. I think we are going to end up back to the pseudo running game. Again.
	SaintSince67

08-21-2016, 10:21 AM	#7
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation I'll say it again - Saints made a mistake drafting Peat if they had no intention of playing him at LT. He is NOT a Guard! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk WhoDatFan26 likes this.
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08-21-2016, 10:46 AM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Originally Posted by 44Champs I'll say it again - Saints made a mistake drafting Peat if they had no intention of playing him at LT. He is NOT a Guard! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Ironically he struggles the most at RT/LT.... He got completely bullied playing LT. He is average at best playing OG. No doubt a bust for a 1st round pick.

08-21-2016, 11:17 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation Dan Roushar and coach Payton really need to rethink the "Jack of all trades" project with Peat. Pre season or not, this O line worries me . Someone is going to seriously injure Drew if they don't get it figured out. Peat looks really bad and Clowney clowned Zach. The defense is headed in the right direction though. RailBoss and MarchingOn like this.

08-21-2016, 12:11 PM	#10
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints/Texans evaluation I just realized we had 4 sacks (Bell, Wilson, Fairley)... Whens the last time we had a 4 sack game?

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