Exposing Mike Detillier

JKool · 03-08-2005, 08:44 PM

CanLoomis:

I have never really gotten along with him. I think he\'s a total fraud and he doesn\'t have access to the \"juice\" around the NFL. I am not going to get into the garbage he used to rant about a few years ago, but it seems that he has not changed. And to think our media here in New Orleans looks at him as a god is scary.

This thread isn\'t just Billy\'s wild speculation, at least according to someone who knows Mike D. I can\'t speak to Billy\'s motivations for the thread, but the question about the \"validity\" of Mike\'s assessment is certainly a fair question - though I think there are other (perhaps better) ways to address that question.

Look, simply discrediting Mike isn\'t the way to go. What Billy should have said is this: consider all the facts about the source, other sources, and so on, before you make a judgement on this. That sounds like something everyone can agree on.

Sure, Billy is everyone\'s favorite beat-toy, but how about you guys lay off a bit - for some of you it seems like a bit of a vendetta rather than a discussion.

saintfan · 03-08-2005, 08:48 PM

for some of you it seems like a bit of a vendetta rather than a discussion.

On that you can bet your :eck05: .

saintz08 · 03-08-2005, 08:51 PM

Billy, I get the impression this thread is meant to antagonize me.

I am greatful it was only to antagonize JoeSam , I thought for a minute I was gonna have to edit some picture of Mike D. on Boubon st . with Mr.Winky hanging out .

Saint_LB · 03-08-2005, 09:04 PM

The Saints may someday make the Superbowl with the present ownership...I mean, the Americans did beat the Russians that time in \'80 I think it was. Miracles do happen, and it can happen here. It happened in Tampa. However, the facts are facts. And the facts are that this team really has very little to show for 38 years of existence, and the reason is because of the market. Owners want to make money, at least most of them, and that is the bottom line of business. NFL football is a business. The writer is correct when it comes to the Saints and their desire to not offer large contracts...or, large enough. That\'s the way it has always been here. That\'s the reason we have never seemed to make it over the hump. It is possible, though, for all the pieces to fall into place for one season...for all the balls to bounce towards Saints, but, as long as profit is a priority, and the market stays as it is, the Saints will always be destined for mediocrity according to the odds.

JKool · 03-08-2005, 09:08 PM

LB, I\'m inclined to mostly agree, but here is some food for thought (and I\'m not saying I think it, but it is worth considering):

The teams that have won the SB are also businesses. They have an eye for the bottom line. They have no desire to offer big contracts. The difference isn\'t the goal, the difference between us and them is coaching, players, schemes, and the football Gods.

Saint_LB · 03-08-2005, 09:34 PM

LB, I\'m inclined to mostly agree, but here is some food for thought (and I\'m not saying I think it, but it is worth considering):

The teams that have won the SB are also businesses. They have an eye for the bottom line. They have no desire to offer big contracts. The difference isn\'t the goal, the difference between us and them is coaching, players, schemes, and the football Gods.

I agree totally, JK, like I said, it can happen here. Anything is possible. I think the odds, however, are in favor of the teams that have larger markets with owners who have more money to spend and are willing to spend it. With the salary cap, an owner who makes more money from things like merchandise sales and TV, radio, etc. will end up making more money, even if they reach their cap.

Saint_LB · 03-08-2005, 09:49 PM

BTW, JK, you\'re pretty good with the numbers. I would just be curious where Haz falls in salary as compared to the rest of the league. Because, you are right about coaching, and coaches make salaries. I\'m not even sure if their salaries count against the cap. So, if you got some info on this, I\'d be curious to see. I\'d also be curious to see where Ditka, Mora, Bum, Stramm, that guy that looked like James Garner, (obviously I can\'t remember his name, Dick something, I think.) Anyway, I would be curious to see if our coaches ever got top pay. I would think that Bum or Stramm probably were pretty high up there, but I\'m not sure about that.

saintz08 · 03-08-2005, 09:50 PM

And the facts are that this team really has very little to show for 38 years of existence, and the reason is because of the market.

O please

Like merchandising and marketabliity are not going to increase with a perenial winner in the Big Easy ????

How many low attendance games do the Saints have every year ???

Gimme a break , there is a team in Phoenix .

[Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintz08]

Saint_LB · 03-08-2005, 09:57 PM

O please

Like merchandising and marketabliity are not going to increase with a perenial winner in the Big Easy ????

Gee, I wonder why it hasn\'t happened yet?

Gimme a break , there is a team in Phoenix .

Are you calling a city in the middle of a desert a large market?

saintz08 · 03-08-2005, 10:13 PM

And the facts are that this team really has very little to show for 38 years of existence, and the reason is because of the market.

If I read this correctly .

Benson refuses to put money into the team because of New Orleans being a small market and he does not think he will get it back ????

Benson had the highest payout 2 years ago in the N.F.L. .

Until Benson came along Mecom , the man who could pinch a penny from 2 sides had the Saints .

Are you calling a city in the middle of a desert a large market?

Only if you consider lizards and snakes paying customers .

Maybe this will help you .

The writer is correct when it comes to the Saints and their desire to not offer large contracts...or, large enough. That\'s the way it has always been here.

Always ?????

Someone has a short memory span

TOP PAYROLLS 2003 : The Saints had the highest payroll in the NFL last season, according to a USA Today report last week.

New Orleans\' payroll of $95.1 million led all teams. The Saints were followed by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers ($88.1 million), Minnesota Vikings ($85.7 million) and Bengals ($85.5 million).

[Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintz08]

03-08-2005, 08:44 PM	#11
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Exposing Mike Detillier CanLoomis: I have never really gotten along with him. I think he\'s a total fraud and he doesn\'t have access to the \"juice\" around the NFL. I am not going to get into the garbage he used to rant about a few years ago, but it seems that he has not changed. And to think our media here in New Orleans looks at him as a god is scary. This thread isn\'t just Billy\'s wild speculation, at least according to someone who knows Mike D. I can\'t speak to Billy\'s motivations for the thread, but the question about the \"validity\" of Mike\'s assessment is certainly a fair question - though I think there are other (perhaps better) ways to address that question. Look, simply discrediting Mike isn\'t the way to go. What Billy should have said is this: consider all the facts about the source, other sources, and so on, before you make a judgement on this. That sounds like something everyone can agree on. Sure, Billy is everyone\'s favorite beat-toy, but how about you guys lay off a bit - for some of you it seems like a bit of a vendetta rather than a discussion.
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03-08-2005, 08:48 PM	#12
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Exposing Mike Detillier for some of you it seems like a bit of a vendetta rather than a discussion. On that you can bet your :eck05: .

03-08-2005, 08:51 PM	#13
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Exposing Mike Detillier Billy, I get the impression this thread is meant to antagonize me. I am greatful it was only to antagonize JoeSam , I thought for a minute I was gonna have to edit some picture of Mike D. on Boubon st . with Mr.Winky hanging out .
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03-08-2005, 09:04 PM	#14
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Exposing Mike Detillier The Saints may someday make the Superbowl with the present ownership...I mean, the Americans did beat the Russians that time in \'80 I think it was. Miracles do happen, and it can happen here. It happened in Tampa. However, the facts are facts. And the facts are that this team really has very little to show for 38 years of existence, and the reason is because of the market. Owners want to make money, at least most of them, and that is the bottom line of business. NFL football is a business. The writer is correct when it comes to the Saints and their desire to not offer large contracts...or, large enough. That\'s the way it has always been here. That\'s the reason we have never seemed to make it over the hump. It is possible, though, for all the pieces to fall into place for one season...for all the balls to bounce towards Saints, but, as long as profit is a priority, and the market stays as it is, the Saints will always be destined for mediocrity according to the odds.
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JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Exposing Mike Detillier LB, I\'m inclined to mostly agree, but here is some food for thought (and I\'m not saying I think it, but it is worth considering): The teams that have won the SB are also businesses. They have an eye for the bottom line. They have no desire to offer big contracts. The difference isn\'t the goal, the difference between us and them is coaching, players, schemes, and the football Gods.

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03-08-2005, 09:34 PM	#16
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Exposing Mike Detillier LB, I\'m inclined to mostly agree, but here is some food for thought (and I\'m not saying I think it, but it is worth considering): The teams that have won the SB are also businesses. They have an eye for the bottom line. They have no desire to offer big contracts. The difference isn\'t the goal, the difference between us and them is coaching, players, schemes, and the football Gods. I agree totally, JK, like I said, it can happen here. Anything is possible. I think the odds, however, are in favor of the teams that have larger markets with owners who have more money to spend and are willing to spend it. With the salary cap, an owner who makes more money from things like merchandise sales and TV, radio, etc. will end up making more money, even if they reach their cap.
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03-08-2005, 09:49 PM	#17
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Exposing Mike Detillier BTW, JK, you\'re pretty good with the numbers. I would just be curious where Haz falls in salary as compared to the rest of the league. Because, you are right about coaching, and coaches make salaries. I\'m not even sure if their salaries count against the cap. So, if you got some info on this, I\'d be curious to see. I\'d also be curious to see where Ditka, Mora, Bum, Stramm, that guy that looked like James Garner, (obviously I can\'t remember his name, Dick something, I think.) Anyway, I would be curious to see if our coaches ever got top pay. I would think that Bum or Stramm probably were pretty high up there, but I\'m not sure about that.
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03-08-2005, 09:50 PM	#18
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Exposing Mike Detillier And the facts are that this team really has very little to show for 38 years of existence, and the reason is because of the market. O please Like merchandising and marketabliity are not going to increase with a perenial winner in the Big Easy ???? How many low attendance games do the Saints have every year ??? Gimme a break , there is a team in Phoenix . [Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintz08]
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03-08-2005, 09:57 PM	#19
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Exposing Mike Detillier O please Like merchandising and marketabliity are not going to increase with a perenial winner in the Big Easy ???? Gee, I wonder why it hasn\'t happened yet? Gimme a break , there is a team in Phoenix . Are you calling a city in the middle of a desert a large market?
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03-08-2005, 10:13 PM	#20
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Exposing Mike Detillier And the facts are that this team really has very little to show for 38 years of existence, and the reason is because of the market. If I read this correctly . Benson refuses to put money into the team because of New Orleans being a small market and he does not think he will get it back ???? Benson had the highest payout 2 years ago in the N.F.L. . Until Benson came along Mecom , the man who could pinch a penny from 2 sides had the Saints . Are you calling a city in the middle of a desert a large market? Only if you consider lizards and snakes paying customers . Maybe this will help you . The writer is correct when it comes to the Saints and their desire to not offer large contracts...or, large enough. That\'s the way it has always been here. Always ????? Someone has a short memory span TOP PAYROLLS 2003 : The Saints had the highest payroll in the NFL last season, according to a USA Today report last week. New Orleans\' payroll of $95.1 million led all teams. The Saints were followed by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers ($88.1 million), Minnesota Vikings ($85.7 million) and Bengals ($85.5 million). [Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintz08]
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