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Let's see.
1. Earn a 6 figure salary by putting on a coat and tie one day a week and comment on what all the other teams are doing wrong.
2. Wear casual clothes on the sideline, work 7 days a week under constant pressure to produce. Listen to the "Experts" on the local team board tell me what I'm doing wrong day after day after day..........?

Tough choice! LOL

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If your waiting for someone to say you were right, hell might freeze over first.
Technically the season has not started. We can hope for a little luck and someone gets dropped from another team that could improve our O line.

There is still a glimmer of hope to hang onto. The reality just got a little more depressing after watching the team last night.

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Yeah
Anyone youd rank from 10/12 to 20 as a QB. A good line s d running game and dont throw games away

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So by your own admission there are at least four rookies who have been developed since Colston. Basically you just called yourself an idiot.

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I recall Hebert saying the other day that the Vikings are O LINE heavy (specifically guard). Alex Boone signed a new deal this off season. They can't keep em all. Saints would be crazy not to keep on eye on their upcoming cuts.

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Same could be said about you. My friend either that your as blind as a bat how can you sit there and say they are anything but awful

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It's not that at all I would hope I was wrong but my eyes see a bad football team. I'm not gonna let the black and gold spectacles blindme for seeing the reality of the situation. If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck it's a damn duck to me I don't apologize for calling like I see it

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Nothing happened last night that really changed my outlook. I've said all along that we can score 25 a game, but with this offensive line, they won't have many games where they explode for much more than that. The first team offense was good and bad last night, and they are not running their entire offense in a preseason game. So I'm not looking at the points (or lack thereof) in these games. I'm just looking at how those guys up front are doing, who's catching the ball, who isn't. What I've seen tells me this is pretty much the same offense from last year. It's got some new and interesting skill players, but they will all be limited by the amount of time and space our QB and RB's get.

Defensively, they're going to be better than they were last year. They haven't shown a pass rush, but that usually is the case in preseason. They will have a lot to prove there. In coverage, there were two big plays that should have been broken up. On the TD to Antonio Brown, Harris had perfect position, but for some reason never looked for the ball. The same thing happened on a long pass down the sideline against P.J Williams. This has been a pattern for years. Our corners DO NOT look for the ball. I have no idea why... It's like they're being instructed not to look. If you can't find the ball, it doesn't matter where you are, the ball will get caught right over your head.

Those things are correctable, but they HAVE to correct it. It was the big plays that killed them in the first half. Pittsburgh couldn't run it, and when they threw short, for the most part, the Saints tackled well.

So it's really just a matter of putting pressure on the QB and getting our DB's to find the ball. We won't know until the season starts how that will all turn out, and we all knew going into camp that the whole season would hinge on both lines doing a better job.

So last night just reminded me of those things. This team has plenty of talent, but there are a lot of moving parts on that defense right now, and I'm just not sure this is their year, but do believe that they will be more competitive overall. I'm hopeful but very unsure of where this team will finish.

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I think they are killing Stephon Anthony by moving him to the strong side. Is he even playing with the ones? I thought he did well last year but apparently not. Has he even made a play so far this year? If he don't have success, we may be looking at 2 wasted 1st rd picks.

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Truthfully, I hated the pick at first( I wanted Perryman and McKenny) but after watching Anthony he grew on me and being under the assumption we were switching to a 3-4 he could become a stud in that scheme. In the 4-3 at MLB he's to slow to cover if called on intermediate or deep( just to much ground to cover). He wasn't drafter to become a 4-3 MLB and hiring Allen a 4-3 guy didn't help him one bit, now with moving him to the OLB spot we'll have to wait and watch to see if it's the round hole square peg affect. I will say this if they let him go and a 3-4 run D picks him up they get themselves a stud ILB. People can argue 3-4, 4-3 all day but in my opionion a 3-4 run right beats the he!! out of a 4-3 any day of the week.

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I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person who sees that stats can be misleading. You will have a lot of statistics when the game is out of hand. The offense is allowed to rack up yards to get the games over quicker.

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The points you made regarding the DB's were the reason why I was so vehemently against releasing Keenan. At least Keenan knew how to and utilized the ability to look back and defend the ball. Being in position is one thing but playing the ball is another. Also if you're looking back at the ball, you're less likely to get a Pass Interference call because you are playing the ball and not just playing the receiver. But this is going to happen with young guys.

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Yeah I didn't understand the early release of Keenan, either. I understand if the final cuts are due and he just doesn't look close to returning, that you would have to cut ties. But I really think he was worth giving the chance to come back.

But yeah, finding the ball is everything. Our guys are always running into receivers and hand fighting with them, instead of turning their heads. That's not only leading to big plays and big penalties, but it's another reason why we don't get interceptions. We could create so many more opportunities for our offense if we could just get back to creating those turnovers. You don't have to be top 10 in yards against, and we always say that.

I just don't get what is so hard about turning your head.

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Louis Vasquez of The Broncos is also available. He has played both T/G spots. He has to be better than what we have currently.

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Here is a good read on LV (oldest is at the bottom) :

The Titans are still in talks with free agent RG Louis Vasquez.
Vasquez visited Tennessee last week, but left without a deal. The Titans could bring him in as a pass-blocking upgrade over Jeremiah Poutasi and Chance Warmack. Vasquez is coming off a down season in Gary Kubiak's zone scheme, grading as PFF’s No. 50 guard out of 81 qualifiers...

Vasquez was better as a pass protector than a run blocker last season. His run blocking grade for last year was well below average.

Vasquez was entering the final year of his four-year, $23.5 million pact. He started 18-of-19 games last season, but really struggled in coach Gary Kubiak's zone-blocking scheme, especially as a run blocker. Vasquez (6'5/335) is ideally built to be a power blocker. He's still just 29 (in April) and should find a healthy market. Vasquez can play either guard or right tackle in a pinch.

Vasquez is athletic enough to fit new coach Gary Kubiak's zone-running scheme, and has experience in ZBS from his time in San Diego...

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Got to be worth a look. Lelito and Kelemete are good back upd not just starters

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Sign him and put him at LG. Then shift Lelito to backup RG/C.

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I say cut both Lelito and Kelemete, sign Vasquez and keep Turner.

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I would cut either. They are better back ups than most teams have. Both for me are the sort of players too good for backups not good enough for starters if that makes sense

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PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game.





I think Lelito may be the primary problem.

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The 1990 Buffalo Bills and the 2000 Giant both lost all 4 preseason games and made it to the Super Bowl. They both lost the big game.

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And Peat

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Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault?

If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths.

Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue.

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it's not losing preseason games I think anyone here cares about. At least I don't. It is that our team looks sloppy and unprepared, that is an issue

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Definitely not 'the losing'. I have accepted the bar I set was too high. I am calmer now. Look no LT, Peat learning on the job, young DBs, and big ben owned them. We get no credit for pressure either but jeesh ben was cat quick and impressive.

We're going to suck some, and then we get to see if the talent we all (most) think we have is truly there.

In our case 8-8 might just be the win.

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I can see another 7-9 to 9-7. The problem with that is yet another draft when you miss the players that can change the team while still missing the playoffs. We have missed out on some very good players the past few years by one or two wins

2013
Chance Warmack
D. J. Fluker
D. J. Hayden
Sheldon Richardson
Star Lotulelei

2015
Danny Shelton
Todd Gurley
Vic Beasley
could have moved up for Leonard Williams

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Its not about wins and losses in pre-season. We are getting our asses handed to us in match up situations. Whether it be the opponent D-Line vs our O-line, their DB's vs our Wr's or their Wr's vs our DB's. I'm strictly looking at match ups here.

When our 1st team offense was in there it was pretty awful. I'm not throwing in the towel or jumping ship. We all can see an obvious problem here. I have not seen a whole lot of improvement collectively on this team. I truly hope I eat the hell out of crow this season.

I think like all of you, I just want to see improvement.

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Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

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Well said!!Thats the problem I have with Vaccarro, he has regressed instead of getting better.

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Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.

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If he were "decent" right now, that would be one thing. I'm only saying maybe he becomes that 2 or 3 years from now, and he's already in year two. So in other words, we're talking year 4 or 5 for this guy to develop into something serviceable. That's not what you want when you draft that high. I could be wrong, and he ends up developing sooner, and becomes better than I'm projecting, obviously. But he could also never turn into anything, which is unfortunately the feeling I'm getting.

The 2 to 3 years comment was more of a hypothetical happy ending on my part.

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Agreed 100%.

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Originally I was predicting a 13-3 season..........I'll have a better feel in week 3 of the regular season. There are too many unknown variables right now. I feel good about DA getting us an additional win or two compared to last year. Now if we can just get the offense on track(specifically the guard play on a sluggish O-line) we can be 10-6 or 9-7.

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Then they sucked me in and made me think we'd be better.

SP needs to go, I mean seriously. This is a **** show. WTF

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So the discussion begins and rightfully so.

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Trade Payton and Brees as a package deal...

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Coach O to da reskew....

https://i.imgur.com/kw1km9g.jpg

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Hire a coach with a binder?

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Zach really does cut right to it, doesn't he? Think we got our next Saints color commentator...

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5-11. Still no crow to eat yet.