5-11 to 7-9

CharityMike · 08-28-2016, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game.

I think Lelito may be the primary problem.

And Peat

Danno · 08-28-2016, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

And Peat

Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault?

If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths.

Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue.

burningmetal · 08-29-2016, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault?

If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths.

Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue.

Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

halloween 65 · 08-29-2016, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or three years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

Well said!!Thats the problem I have with Vaccarro, he has regressed instead of getting better.

K Major · 08-29-2016, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.

burningmetal · 08-29-2016, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.

If he were "decent" right now, that would be one thing. I'm only saying maybe he becomes that 2 or 3 years from now, and he's already in year two. So in other words, we're talking year 4 or 5 for this guy to develop into something serviceable. That's not what you want when you draft that high. I could be wrong, and he ends up developing sooner, and becomes better than I'm projecting, obviously. But he could also never turn into anything, which is unfortunately the feeling I'm getting.

The 2 to 3 years comment was more of a hypothetical happy ending on my part.

K Major · 08-29-2016, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

So in other words, we're talking year 4 or 5 for this guy to develop into something serviceable. That's not what you want when you draft that high.

Agreed 100%.

08-28-2016, 02:23 PM	#1
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by Danno PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game. I think Lelito may be the primary problem. And Peat

08-28-2016, 02:30 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by CharityMike And Peat Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault? If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths. Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue. mleg1972, CharityMike and K Major like this.

08-29-2016, 12:55 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by Danno Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault? If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths. Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue. Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses. Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie. Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie. Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else. Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period. Sarik and saintshrimp like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

08-29-2016, 06:26 AM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by burningmetal Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses. Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie. Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie. Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else. Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or three years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period. Well said!!Thats the problem I have with Vaccarro, he has regressed instead of getting better.

08-29-2016, 08:02 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,739 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by burningmetal Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period. Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.

08-29-2016, 08:09 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by K Major Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made. If he were "decent" right now, that would be one thing. I'm only saying maybe he becomes that 2 or 3 years from now, and he's already in year two. So in other words, we're talking year 4 or 5 for this guy to develop into something serviceable. That's not what you want when you draft that high. I could be wrong, and he ends up developing sooner, and becomes better than I'm projecting, obviously. But he could also never turn into anything, which is unfortunately the feeling I'm getting. The 2 to 3 years comment was more of a hypothetical happy ending on my part. K Major likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

08-29-2016, 08:19 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,739 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by burningmetal So in other words, we're talking year 4 or 5 for this guy to develop into something serviceable. That's not what you want when you draft that high. Agreed 100%.

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