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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game. Top offensive grades: FB Austin Johnson, 79.6 WR Willie Snead, 79.6 QB Drew Brees, 78.2 G Senio Kelemete, 77.1 ...

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Old 08-28-2016, 01:53 PM   #1
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Re: 5-11 to 7-9

PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game.




Top offensive grades:
FB Austin Johnson, 79.6
WR Willie Snead, 79.6
QB Drew Brees, 78.2
G Senio Kelemete, 77.1
C Max Unger, 76.1

Notable offensive linemen have issues once again

Left guard Tim Lelito gave up two pressures to bring his preseason total to seven in three partial games. Lelito surprisingly has graded below-average in all three games.

LT Terron Armstead played just six snaps before leaving the game, but allowed two pressures on three snaps in pass protection and was called for a holding penalty on one.

Last year’s first-round pick Andrus Peat continues to struggle after his third-straight below-average game, and is now among the lowest-graded offensive linemen in the league through three games. In all, Saints quarterbacks were pressured on 44 percent of dropbacks against the Steelers.

On the positive side, starting center Max Unger had his best outing thus far in the preseason.

I think Lelito may be the primary problem.
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Old 08-28-2016, 02:23 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game.







I think Lelito may be the primary problem.
And Peat
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Old 08-28-2016, 02:30 PM   #3
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And Peat
Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault?

If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths.

Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue.
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Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault?

If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths.

Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue.
Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.
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Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or three years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.
Well said!!Thats the problem I have with Vaccarro, he has regressed instead of getting better.
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Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.
Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.
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Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.
If he were "decent" right now, that would be one thing. I'm only saying maybe he becomes that 2 or 3 years from now, and he's already in year two. So in other words, we're talking year 4 or 5 for this guy to develop into something serviceable. That's not what you want when you draft that high. I could be wrong, and he ends up developing sooner, and becomes better than I'm projecting, obviously. But he could also never turn into anything, which is unfortunately the feeling I'm getting.

The 2 to 3 years comment was more of a hypothetical happy ending on my part.
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So in other words, we're talking year 4 or 5 for this guy to develop into something serviceable. That's not what you want when you draft that high.
Agreed 100%.
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