We don't even know it's that bad.

halloween 65 · 08-28-2016, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I seriously think there are players that or worth every dime they make. However that hurts teams.

A team has to decided ok we need to trade so and so because we can't afford him lets find someone serviceable to fill his shows. Why having a great QB is a great thing... when you don't have a line to protect him or a running game to help him... yikes. that 20 million you put in your QB's pocket is going to waste.

I think we could be just as we have been if not better off trading Bree's and building the lines... YEAH I SAID IT. He isn't getting younger and we haven't put a team around him to win NOW. Which is what he needs.

Going to be curious how Bree's ends his career.

I don't see us resigning him.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2016, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I don't see us resigning him.

And replacing him with what?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

halloween 65 · 08-28-2016, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And replacing him with what?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.

lee909 · 08-28-2016, 08:51 PM

While im unsure you cant say the ladt $100ml given to Brees has done much. The teams been 33-33 and is 1-1 in the playoffs since he got that deal.

There is a case wether spending the $25ml it would cost to re-sign Brees on a pair of Guards $13-15ml,reupping Unger +5ml on his salary, and a DE/DT 5-8ml towards his salary wouldnt mske the team more balanced.

Not saying it will be done but would trading for say a Garoppolo and putting him behind a line of Armstead-G-Unger-G-Peat and with Ingram,Cooks,Thomas,Snead, Fleener. Does anyone think he couldn't put up 4,000 yards and s increase in the run game?

saintshrimp · 08-28-2016, 09:01 PM

I really don't think it's as much players as it is the front office and coaching. Think about it
We are in a bad cap situation cause bad deals that have been cut or traded away
Haven't had alot of draft picks overall because of trading up
Swing and miss in free agency over and over
Give huge deals for mediocre play except contract years
Draft classes have been crappy hardly ever find anyone
When we do find a good draft pick we don't develop said pick

halloween 65 · 08-28-2016, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

While im unsure you cant say the ladt $100ml given to Brees has done much. The teams been 33-33 and is 1-1 in the playoffs since he got that deal.

There is a case wether spending the $25ml it would cost to re-sign Brees on a pair of Guards $13-15ml,reupping Unger +5ml on his salary, and a DE/DT 5-8ml towards his salary wouldnt mske the team more balanced.

Not saying it will be done but would trading for say a Garoppolo and putting him behind a line of Armstead-G-Unger-G-Peat and with Ingram,Cooks,Thomas,Snead, Fleener. Does anyone think he couldn't put up 4,000 yards and s increase in the run game?

Old school football with a good game manager at qb is stout. I don't care about looking pretty or high octane as long as the job gets done on a consistant level, like you said balanced. Our D has rode the O's coat tails for alot of years now and balance has never been in the equation since Payton has been at the helm.

CheramieIII · 08-28-2016, 09:06 PM

We won't really know what we have until the first game is over.

lee909 · 08-28-2016, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I really don't think it's as much players as it is the front office and coaching. Think about it
We are in a bad cap situation cause bad deals that have been cut or traded away
Haven't had alot of draft picks overall because of trading up
Swing and miss in free agency over and over
Give huge deals for mediocre play except contract years
Draft classes have been crappy hardly ever find anyone
When we do find a good draft pick we don't develop said pick

Ive said a few times i think the root of the problem is at board room level. It doesn't look like Bensons is running things either he's dostracted by family issues,or isnt capable at his age. Now if he had a msn running it that would be fine but the man who seems in charge is Loomis and that means Loomis isnt under pressure as a GM,and he is unlikely to rock the boat with Payton. The coaches except the DC under Payton look untouchavle no matter how badly their units perform.

With a leader at the helm to steer the ship it will run off course. Any other GM thats drafted as bad and overpaid as many FA as he has would be on the hot seat

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2016, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.

The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him.

lee909 · 08-28-2016, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him.

Im sure the Colts said the same. Im sure most 49ers thought the world ended after Montana. The Pats were up a creak when Bledsoe went down. Succesful team long term move on a year too early thsn s year too late

08-28-2016, 08:36 PM	#21
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by Euphoria I seriously think there are players that or worth every dime they make. However that hurts teams. A team has to decided ok we need to trade so and so because we can't afford him lets find someone serviceable to fill his shows. Why having a great QB is a great thing... when you don't have a line to protect him or a running game to help him... yikes. that 20 million you put in your QB's pocket is going to waste. I think we could be just as we have been if not better off trading Bree's and building the lines... YEAH I SAID IT. He isn't getting younger and we haven't put a team around him to win NOW. Which is what he needs. Going to be curious how Bree's ends his career. I don't see us resigning him.

08-28-2016, 08:37 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by halloween 65 I don't see us resigning him. And replacing him with what? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And replacing him with what? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.

08-28-2016, 08:51 PM	#24
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,818 Blog Entries: 1	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. While im unsure you cant say the ladt $100ml given to Brees has done much. The teams been 33-33 and is 1-1 in the playoffs since he got that deal. There is a case wether spending the $25ml it would cost to re-sign Brees on a pair of Guards $13-15ml,reupping Unger +5ml on his salary, and a DE/DT 5-8ml towards his salary wouldnt mske the team more balanced. Not saying it will be done but would trading for say a Garoppolo and putting him behind a line of Armstead-G-Unger-G-Peat and with Ingram,Cooks,Thomas,Snead, Fleener. Does anyone think he couldn't put up 4,000 yards and s increase in the run game?
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by lee909 While im unsure you cant say the ladt $100ml given to Brees has done much. The teams been 33-33 and is 1-1 in the playoffs since he got that deal. There is a case wether spending the $25ml it would cost to re-sign Brees on a pair of Guards $13-15ml,reupping Unger +5ml on his salary, and a DE/DT 5-8ml towards his salary wouldnt mske the team more balanced. Not saying it will be done but would trading for say a Garoppolo and putting him behind a line of Armstead-G-Unger-G-Peat and with Ingram,Cooks,Thomas,Snead, Fleener. Does anyone think he couldn't put up 4,000 yards and s increase in the run game? Old school football with a good game manager at qb is stout. I don't care about looking pretty or high octane as long as the job gets done on a consistant level, like you said balanced. Our D has rode the O's coat tails for alot of years now and balance has never been in the equation since Payton has been at the helm.

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08-28-2016, 09:13 PM	#28
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,818 Blog Entries: 1	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by saintshrimp I really don't think it's as much players as it is the front office and coaching. Think about it We are in a bad cap situation cause bad deals that have been cut or traded away Haven't had alot of draft picks overall because of trading up Swing and miss in free agency over and over Give huge deals for mediocre play except contract years Draft classes have been crappy hardly ever find anyone When we do find a good draft pick we don't develop said pick Ive said a few times i think the root of the problem is at board room level. It doesn't look like Bensons is running things either he's dostracted by family issues,or isnt capable at his age. Now if he had a msn running it that would be fine but the man who seems in charge is Loomis and that means Loomis isnt under pressure as a GM,and he is unlikely to rock the boat with Payton. The coaches except the DC under Payton look untouchavle no matter how badly their units perform. With a leader at the helm to steer the ship it will run off course. Any other GM thats drafted as bad and overpaid as many FA as he has would be on the hot seat
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by halloween 65 Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt. The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,818 Blog Entries: 1	Re: We don't even know it's that bad. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him. Im sure the Colts said the same. Im sure most 49ers thought the world ended after Montana. The Pats were up a creak when Bledsoe went down. Succesful team long term move on a year too early thsn s year too late

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