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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by lee909 I wanted defense and have no issue with Rankins pick. The issue was spending 4ml on the likes of Spiller,Fleener and Browner instead of filling out the guard positions with the likes of Mathis,Alex Boone,Clint Boling, ...

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Old 08-28-2016, 08:54 PM   #1
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Re: We don't even know it's that bad.

Originally Posted by lee909 View Post
I wanted defense and have no issue with Rankins pick. The issue was spending 4ml on the likes of Spiller,Fleener and Browner instead of filling out the guard positions with the likes of Mathis,Alex Boone,Clint Boling, Stefen Wisniewski or Richie Incognito. Could easily have got at least one if not two of them under the cap. Nobody will convince me 8ml a year for Spiller and Ingram is worth the money (and i like Ingram) but we never get 16 games a year from them. Same with well overpaying Fleener.

I understand the Byrd deal at the time,he was one of the top FS in the NFL but the background on his injuries were obviously not looked into
I'm still puzzled as to why we let both Grubbs and Evans go at the same time with no legit plans to fill those shoes. As old as they are both are still above average players and are a hell of a lot better than what we have now. They are waiting to see how cuts shake out. Minnisotta has several good lineman and can't keep all.
We may wind up with an upgrade yet.
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Old 08-28-2016, 09:18 PM   #2
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I'm still puzzled as to why we let both Grubbs and Evans go at the same time with no legit plans to fill those shoes. As old as they are both are still above average players and are a hell of a lot better than what we have now. They are waiting to see how cuts shake out. Minnisotta has several good lineman and can't keep all.
We may wind up with an upgrade yet.
How can you say Grubbs is superior to what we have now when he can't even pass a physical and is at home on the couch? And how can you say Evans is better than what we have now when he is currently penciled in at third string LG and is likely to be released by Seattle? They are not above average players. They are both well below average.
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Old 08-28-2016, 07:32 PM   #3
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I seriously think there are players that or worth every dime they make. However that hurts teams.

A team has to decided ok we need to trade so and so because we can't afford him lets find someone serviceable to fill his shows. Why having a great QB is a great thing... when you don't have a line to protect him or a running game to help him... yikes. that 20 million you put in your QB's pocket is going to waste.

I think we could be just as we have been if not better off trading Bree's and building the lines... YEAH I SAID IT. He isn't getting younger and we haven't put a team around him to win NOW. Which is what he needs.

Going to be curious how Bree's ends his career.

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I seriously think there are players that or worth every dime they make. However that hurts teams.

A team has to decided ok we need to trade so and so because we can't afford him lets find someone serviceable to fill his shows. Why having a great QB is a great thing... when you don't have a line to protect him or a running game to help him... yikes. that 20 million you put in your QB's pocket is going to waste.

I think we could be just as we have been if not better off trading Bree's and building the lines... YEAH I SAID IT. He isn't getting younger and we haven't put a team around him to win NOW. Which is what he needs.

Going to be curious how Bree's ends his career.
I don't see us resigning him.
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I don't see us resigning him.
And replacing him with what?

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And replacing him with what?

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Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.
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Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.
The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him.
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While im unsure you cant say the ladt $100ml given to Brees has done much. The teams been 33-33 and is 1-1 in the playoffs since he got that deal.

There is a case wether spending the $25ml it would cost to re-sign Brees on a pair of Guards $13-15ml,reupping Unger +5ml on his salary, and a DE/DT 5-8ml towards his salary wouldnt mske the team more balanced.

Not saying it will be done but would trading for say a Garoppolo and putting him behind a line of Armstead-G-Unger-G-Peat and with Ingram,Cooks,Thomas,Snead, Fleener. Does anyone think he couldn't put up 4,000 yards and s increase in the run game?

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While im unsure you cant say the ladt $100ml given to Brees has done much. The teams been 33-33 and is 1-1 in the playoffs since he got that deal.

There is a case wether spending the $25ml it would cost to re-sign Brees on a pair of Guards $13-15ml,reupping Unger +5ml on his salary, and a DE/DT 5-8ml towards his salary wouldnt mske the team more balanced.

Not saying it will be done but would trading for say a Garoppolo and putting him behind a line of Armstead-G-Unger-G-Peat and with Ingram,Cooks,Thomas,Snead, Fleener. Does anyone think he couldn't put up 4,000 yards and s increase in the run game?
Old school football with a good game manager at qb is stout. I don't care about looking pretty or high octane as long as the job gets done on a consistant level, like you said balanced. Our D has rode the O's coat tails for alot of years now and balance has never been in the equation since Payton has been at the helm.
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Old 08-28-2016, 08:01 PM   #10
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I really don't think it's as much players as it is the front office and coaching. Think about it
We are in a bad cap situation cause bad deals that have been cut or traded away
Haven't had alot of draft picks overall because of trading up
Swing and miss in free agency over and over
Give huge deals for mediocre play except contract years
Draft classes have been crappy hardly ever find anyone
When we do find a good draft pick we don't develop said pick
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