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The Dude 01-13-2017 12:22 PM

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I think the edge rusher is the best option. One pick that immediately helps two position groups. I'm not sure we need to draft a DB if we shore up our line. At least not in early rounds.

ChrisXVI 01-13-2017 01:37 PM

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halloween 65 01-13-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 733486)
I haven't seen him play so my question to you is; is he a nose tackle or a 1-tech? There is quite the difference here in what the need is between a 4-3 1-tech and a 3-4 NT.

It really depends on what site you go to some saying a 3-4 space eater other comparing him to A'Shawn Johnson and Jarred Reed 4-3. They do say he is a force to deal with. My bad news is 2 sights saying he's returning to Washington for this season. My opionion he would be a great fit.

Euphoria 01-13-2017 02:31 PM

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My prediction is that they are going to draft one person on each level...

OL, WR, O backfield. DL, LB and DB

halloween 65 01-13-2017 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 733500)
My prediction is that they are going to draft one person on each level...

OL, WR, O backfield. DL, LB and DB

I hope your right. Although our FO has started the 2 picks for 1 player thing.

frydaddy 01-13-2017 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 733498)

Paaaaaaassssss

hagan714 01-13-2017 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 733498)

Got caught with a gun earlier this year to boot. as a player he is more of a one trick at DE. That is why I like Ryan more.

vpheughan 01-13-2017 03:45 PM

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Here in Indy it's reported that the Colts want a 4th round pick as compensation for losing Fleener.

halloween 65 01-13-2017 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 733508)
Here in Indy it's reported that the Colts want a 4th round pick as compensation for losing Fleener.

Is it a comp pick or did Mickey get fleeced.

vpheughan 01-13-2017 04:02 PM

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A comp pick. is what I heard.

halloween 65 01-13-2017 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 733511)
A comp pick. is what I heard.

I still feel we got fleeced just glad we didn't have to cough up a pick.

hagan714 01-13-2017 05:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 733486)
I haven't seen him play so my question to you is; is he a nose tackle or a 1-tech? There is quite the difference here in what the need is between a 4-3 1-tech and a 3-4 NT.

Either for Vita Vea

" He is a big boy with exceptional quickness and power stuck in a phone booth"

He holds his ground while eating up double teams all game long and when you screw up and try to block him with a single blocker he will make you pay the price

I really like this kids upside

hagan714 01-13-2017 05:24 PM

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Huskies defensive lineman Vita Vea will return for junior season, UW says
Vita Vea - Bing

he comes off the board

Smart move probably a first rounder projection at the start of the 2017 NCAA season.

halloween 65 01-13-2017 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 733516)
Huskies defensive lineman Vita Vea will return for junior season, UW says
Vita Vea - Bing

he comes off the board

Breaks my heart. He might be the #1 overall pick next season if he stays healthy.

halloween 65 01-13-2017 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 733516)
Huskies defensive lineman Vita Vea will return for junior season, UW says
Vita Vea - Bing

he comes off the board

Smart move probably a first rounder projection at the start of the 2017 NCAA season.

I got to start my homework over now. He was 2nd round steal this season.

jeanpierre 01-13-2017 08:37 PM

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Well, if that happens, there's always the Patriots...


jeanpierre 01-13-2017 08:40 PM

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For those who want Tim Williams, contemplate this on the Tree of Whoa!


Update: Sorry, Chris, shoulda realized you didn't let this twitter nugget get by ya...

voodooido 01-13-2017 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 716261)
I am sure the Saints front office will be tuned into this awesome thread. :rolleyes:

Why do you always have to be a d--k? Not one person on this site cares to hear from you. Go away for goodness sake.

jeanpierre 01-13-2017 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 733508)
Here in Indy it's reported that the Colts want a 4th round pick as compensation for losing Fleener.

We should get a compensatory pick for that signing...

MarchingOn 01-13-2017 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 716594)
I liked Perryman but i liked McKinney and Anthony too. Really would have been happy with all of them.

Thought Kendricks at the bottom of the 1st was a safer, more desirable pick than Anthony.

Wanted big MLB McKinney in the 2nd but I think he went prior to our pick.

jeanpierre 01-14-2017 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 733539)
Thought Kendricks at the bottom of the 1st was a safer, more desirable pick than Anthony.

Wanted big MLB McKinney in the 2nd but I think he went prior to our pick.

Vic Beasley, Bud Dupree, Shaq Thompson, Stephone Anthony, Benardrick McKinney (one pick before Kikaha)...

halloween 65 01-14-2017 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 733543)
Vic Beasley, Bud Dupree, Shaq Thompson, Stephone Anthony, Benardrick McKinney (one pick before Kikaha)...

That was a good year for lb'ers. Perryman and Kendricks was there also. Just goes to show what good coaching and bad coaching can do. Scheme goes a long way.

AsylumGuido 01-14-2017 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 733533)
Why do you always have to be a d--k? Not one person on this site cares to hear from you. Go away for goodness sake.

Quack.

hagan714 01-14-2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 733527)
Well, if that happens, there's always the Patriots...

https://twitter.com/SaintsCSC/status/819982373408374785


Oh please say no to Watson

halloween 65 01-14-2017 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 733555)
Oh please say no to Watson

If the like button would let me click it 1000x from your post I would. Let him go anywhere but here.

K Major 01-14-2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 733539)
Thought Kendricks at the bottom of the 1st was a safer, more desirable pick than Anthony.

Wanted big MLB McKinney in the 2nd but I think he went prior to our pick.

I was hoping for Eric Kendricks out of that draft class. Hindsight is 20/20 but he was definitely a steal in the 2nd round.

hagan714 01-14-2017 01:42 PM

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Benardrick McKinney has looked pretty good so far. huge improvement in his game this year at MLB for the texans. 129 tackles 5 sacks

jeanpierre 01-16-2017 01:39 PM

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OMG!!!


ChrisXVI 01-16-2017 09:13 PM

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Some players we've talked to so far at East-Weat Shrine Game practice:

TE Blake Jarwin (Oklahoma State)
QB Wes Lunt (Illinois)
DT Chunky Clements (Illinois)
DT Matthew Godin (Michigan)

Crusader 01-17-2017 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 733778)

I agree after watching that video. I was mostly impressed by his blocking, it looked pretty good.

halloween 65 01-17-2017 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 733778)

I liked his tape but when I tried looking his 40 time up I didn't find it. Also what round is he projected to be drafted?I do think we need 2 tough TE. I'm nowhere near a Fleecer fan and don't have a clue what Payton sees him.

hagan714 01-17-2017 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 733853)
I liked his tape but when I tried looking his 40 time up I didn't find it. Also what round is he projected to be drafted?I do think we need 2 tough TE. I'm nowhere near a Fleecer fan and don't have a clue what Payton sees him.

Eric Saubert TE Drake 6036 242 4.72 #85 rSr
I am going to guess 6-7.

others that have caught my eye

Check this freak out 6/7

Phazahn Odom TE Fordham 6076 245 4.74 #15


Mighty mice 7/UDFA Top priority FA IMO

I really like
George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.77 #46 rSr

Interested for sure
Darrell Daniels TE/OLB Washington 6032 246 4.54 #15 Sr
verified Vernon Davis-like 4.4 speed?


Keep an eye on as an option
Cam Serigne, TE Wake Forest 6025 250 4.78 #85 rJr
underrated smart, tough, great ball skills, great route runner.

halloween 65 01-17-2017 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 733854)
Eric Saubert TE Drake 6036 242 4.72 #85 rSr
I am going to guess 6-7.

others that have caught my eye

Check this freak out 6/7

Phazahn Odom TE Fordham 6076 245 4.74 #15
https://youtu.be/r8kKcLTpTSk


Mighty mice 7/UDFA Top priority FA IMO

I really like
George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.77 #46 rSr
https://youtu.be/MA5aT9rX4xg

Interested for sure
Darrell Daniels TE/OLB Washington 6032 246 4.54 #15 Sr
verified Vernon Davis-like 4.4 speed?
https://youtu.be/If8nYvJzZw4


Keep an eye on as an option
Cam Serigne, TE Wake Forest 6025 250 4.78 #85 rJr
underrated smart, tough, great ball skills, great route runner.
https://youtu.be/efi57U-Zymo

Good list I was impressed with the guy from Washington, it didn't show much on his blocking but him playing olb he has to be at the least a decent blocker. If we wanted to go with a blocking TE the Iowa guy. I see no reason Payton don't pull the trigger in the draft on a TE.

hagan714 01-17-2017 08:09 AM

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Kittle is my poor mans Butt in the draft. Do not under estimate his receiving skills. He ain't pretty like all 3rd down traditional TE but he gets the job done in all phases of the game. Like C.J. Beathard it is had to judge how good they may be because of the system they were stuck in at Iowa.

Darrell Daniels is a swiss army knife on offense. He was not asked to block much in Washington's offense so it is kind of a mystery. Like the fact you pointed out the experience at OLB, Good indicator he will shy away from taking on defenders. If he does put the numbers many think he will, his stock should sky rocket by draft time.

jeanpierre 01-17-2017 12:43 PM

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The way Brees/Payton likes to throw to high buckets (Spot Locations) we really need a 6-5/6-6 Tight End with reliable hands and good route discipline...

Fleener really cost us with those drops this season...

halloween 65 01-17-2017 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 733887)
The way Brees/Payton likes to throw to high buckets (Spot Locations) we really need a 6-5/6-6 Tight End with reliable hands and good route discipline...

Fleener really cost us with those drops this season...

That last statement is true in more ways than one.

ChrisXVI 01-17-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 733838)
Some players we've talked to so far at East-Weat Shrine Game practice:

TE Blake Jarwin (Oklahoma State)
QB Wes Lunt (Illinois)
DT Chunky Clements (Illinois)
DT Matthew Godin (Michigan)

Today we can add:

LB Calvin Munson (San Diego State)
WR Tony Stevens (Auburn)

halloween 65 01-17-2017 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 733915)
Today we can add:

LB Calvin Munson (San Diego State)
WR Tony Stevens (Auburn)

Thanks. Keep them coming Chris.

hagan714 01-18-2017 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 733887)
The way Brees/Payton likes to throw to high buckets (Spot Locations) we really need a 6-5/6-6 Tight End with reliable hands and good route discipline...

Fleener really cost us with those drops this season...

Colby we are married to through 2018 looking at his contract. The drops are an issue but the next glaring concern is his lack of effort in blocking. Even setting a hard pick appears to be to much to ask.

Draft a freak like O.J. Howard and you get your contract out from Fleener if he does not get his act together down the road. Plus he is a huge up grade as a blocker. Nice to draft a player that gives you another weapon but also offers freedom if all goes as plan. Dull threat at TE would be a nice. Taking a page from the pats playbook here.

I always look for true impact freaks on day one. Player that only come around once in a blue moon. Add in the ability to free you from a contract trap down the road is a huge plus. Fleener is a huge contract trap from 2018 on. 2019 and 2020 he is a 9 million trap. Yes the dead money gives us an out.

Add in a trade down once or twice and the picks it would bring would not only offer flexibility but allow a huge influx of youth on defense.

ChrisXVI 01-19-2017 03:59 PM

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Mel Kiper's first mock draft has us taking...

New Orleans Saints

Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama
Foster is one of my favorite prospects in this draft. At 6-1, 240 pounds, he has stellar range, runs sideline to sideline and is a complete linebacker. He's a terrific blitzer, too, and recorded five sacks in 2016. The Saints need defensive help -- 2015 first-round pick Stephone Anthony played just 127 defensive snaps this season.


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