Playoff contenders

Danno · 09-05-2016, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

The packers.........they have the best QB in the NFL who can make crazy TD passes at the end, a WR who can burn CBs because of Cobb and Lacy and now Cook. Rodgers can see over his linemen unlike Brees and does not need great protection he just needs Nelson. Rodgers can do things with a bad line that Brees cannot.

And trust me if you don't want Carolina to win a SB you better be hoping for GB to win because they are the only team that can win in Carolina in January because they are not a west coast team. I sure would hope GB was that much better than us if we were not good because I believe Carolina has no chance in Lambeau in January. A inexperienced playoff team is not even beating Carolina at home sorry to say. There are only three teams and two of them are fighting each other in the division which takes away from their HFA potential because of the other two pesty rivals.

Packers vs. Saints - Box Score - October 26, 2014 - ESPN
Saints 44
Packers 23

With the 2nd worst defense in the history of the NFL I might add.

I'm not sold they're significantly better than we are at all.

AllSaints · 09-05-2016, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Bucs? Uhh no! Is this a serious comment? Do you actually think they are significantly better than we are? Why?

Redskins, they are not significantly better than we are. Probably equal to us I'll admit but no, they are not significantly better than we are.

Packers? Maybe. Their offense and defense were just mediocre last year. I don't think they made any significant changes either. We improved quite a bit more on defense than they did. Might be your only valid point, but I wouldn't say they're much better than we are.

Vikings, they just lost their 2nd best player on offense for the year. Bradford is no Teddy Bridgewater. Shaun Hill will be taking snaps by week 8.

Just my opinion but I think your wrong on all 4 points.

Vikings have a very good defense that can carry them into the postseason... Packers have Aaron Rodgers need I say more... Redskins have Cousins who IMO is a franchise QB and redskins Defense is very good.... Bucs defense is very good and another year with Winston they will improve ... Not saying these teams are significantly better than we are ... But they are better... We are a 7-9 football team... Changes on defense we made yeah that's great but our Guards are trash we can't win football games when Brees is running for his life ...

AsylumGuido · 09-05-2016, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by AllSaints

Vikings have a very good defense that can carry them into the postseason... Packers have Aaron Rodgers need I say more... Redskins have Cousins who IMO is a franchise QB and redskins Defense is very good.... Bucs defense is very good and another year with Winston they will improve ... Not saying these teams are significantly better than we are ... But they are better... We are a 7-9 football team... Changes on defense we made yeah that's great but our Guards are trash we can't win football games when Brees is running for his life ...

We WERE a 7-9 football team with back to back historically bad defenses. Our guards are no worse than they were last year when we finished 7-9. Our WR's are better with the addition of Thomas and another year of development of Cooks and Snead. Our RB's are solid and better with Ingram and Spiller both coming in healthy.

AllSaints · 09-05-2016, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We WERE a 7-9 football team with back to back historically bad defenses. Our guards are no worse than they were last year when we finished 7-9. Our WR's are better with the addition of Thomas and another year of development of Cooks and Snead. Our RB's are solid and better with Ingram and Spiller both coming in healthy.

True... But I'm coming off preseason... I saw improvement from the defense but still really young... Our guards are no worse but not any better what good is having heathy running backs when you can't make holes... What good is having a new WR when you barely have time to take 3 steps back and throw the ball... Brees needs time to step up in the pocket didn't have it last year... Won't have it this year... 7-9 football team ... Oline is everything and we failed to upgrade that...

I'm going to be cheering for this team to win every game like I always have... That will never change ... But the place we needed improvement oline didn't happen so I see another 7-9 aka mediocre season...

WillSaints81 · 09-04-2016, 10:37 PM

There are four teams ahead of us. Those four are Seattle, Arizona, Green Bay, and Carolina. Now factor in the winner of the NFC East, which I think is giants. Now you have us contending with Washington, Chicago, and LA. LA is a 6 win team at best this year. Minnesota has Sam Bradford now at QB they are not gonna win 8 games. And Chicago while they finish second in north they may not do better than 8-8 unless they sweep Minnesota and beat Green Bay once. Washington is likely a 9-7 team again. They also are guaranteed to have a better conference record than us. We have to win 10 games. As of now I see us 8-8 and losing to Oakland, NYG, SD, Seattle, @Carolina, @Arizona, TB, and @Atlanta. Some of those are actually winnable with good protection.

Rell&Gold · 09-05-2016, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

There are four teams ahead of us. Those four are Seattle, Arizona, Green Bay, and Carolina. Now factor in the winner of the NFC East, which I think is giants. Now you have us contending with Washington, Chicago, and LA. LA is a 6 win team at best this year. Minnesota has Sam Bradford now at QB they are not gonna win 8 games. And Chicago while they finish second in north they may not do better than 8-8 unless they sweep Minnesota and beat Green Bay once. Washington is likely a 9-7 team again. They also are guaranteed to have a better conference record than us. We have to win 10 games. As of now I see us 8-8 and losing to Oakland, NYG, SD, Seattle, @Carolina, @Arizona, TB, and @Atlanta. Some of those are actually winnable with good protection.

Nothing is "Guaranteed" especially when dealing with the Skinz

WillSaints81 · 09-05-2016, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Nothing is "Guaranteed" especially when dealing with the Skinz

Washington has done no better than 2-2 against an AFC opponent dating back to 2002. They usually go 2-2, with 1-3 and 0-4 thrown in occasionally. Washhington should beat Cleveland one of Pittsburgh at home or at Baltimore. If we do not go 3-1 against AFC we will not even go 9-7 unless we go 3-1 against NFC West(meaning beating both Seattle and @SF) or win in NJ. I believe we will go 2-2 again against the other NFC division as we have gone 2-2 or 3-1 since 2005. Still it's best to get 3 wins or more against the AFC to have a chance and that means having to win 10 games.

Yes Washington can crap the bed as they have done so after every playoff season. But we'll see. It would take a Couins injury for it to happen.

hagan714 · 09-05-2016, 02:21 AM

yet another year were the the dreaded words " Need Time to Jell" will be heard all to often. That is why I wish the saints would stop jumping one or two players all around. Ir effects all 12 on the field.

LBCutta · 09-05-2016, 07:06 AM

Hard to say, we are just too shaky and unpredictable. You never know which team is going to show up from week to week.

halloween 65 · 09-05-2016, 07:48 AM

I think there are at least 5 in the NFC and 5 in the AFC maybe more. Our O isn't the quick strike O of old anymore and might never be again with the teams building solid defenses and our defense has never been a solid consistant unit year after year. We may be able to beat lesser teams this season but I can't see us beating contenders unless they beat themselves with mistakes. Those close games last season might not be so close this season.

09-05-2016, 04:56 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Playoff contenders Originally Posted by WillSaints81 The packers.........they have the best QB in the NFL who can make crazy TD passes at the end, a WR who can burn CBs because of Cobb and Lacy and now Cook. Rodgers can see over his linemen unlike Brees and does not need great protection he just needs Nelson. Rodgers can do things with a bad line that Brees cannot. And trust me if you don't want Carolina to win a SB you better be hoping for GB to win because they are the only team that can win in Carolina in January because they are not a west coast team. I sure would hope GB was that much better than us if we were not good because I believe Carolina has no chance in Lambeau in January. A inexperienced playoff team is not even beating Carolina at home sorry to say. There are only three teams and two of them are fighting each other in the division which takes away from their HFA potential because of the other two pesty rivals. Packers vs. Saints - Box Score - October 26, 2014 - ESPN Saints 44 Packers 23 With the 2nd worst defense in the history of the NFL I might add. I'm not sold they're significantly better than we are at all.

09-05-2016, 06:03 PM	#2
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: Playoff contenders Originally Posted by Danno Bucs? Uhh no! Is this a serious comment? Do you actually think they are significantly better than we are? Why? Redskins, they are not significantly better than we are. Probably equal to us I'll admit but no, they are not significantly better than we are. Packers? Maybe. Their offense and defense were just mediocre last year. I don't think they made any significant changes either. We improved quite a bit more on defense than they did. Might be your only valid point, but I wouldn't say they're much better than we are. Vikings, they just lost their 2nd best player on offense for the year. Bradford is no Teddy Bridgewater. Shaun Hill will be taking snaps by week 8. Just my opinion but I think your wrong on all 4 points. Vikings have a very good defense that can carry them into the postseason... Packers have Aaron Rodgers need I say more... Redskins have Cousins who IMO is a franchise QB and redskins Defense is very good.... Bucs defense is very good and another year with Winston they will improve ... Not saying these teams are significantly better than we are ... But they are better... We are a 7-9 football team... Changes on defense we made yeah that's great but our Guards are trash we can't win football games when Brees is running for his life ...

09-05-2016, 06:08 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Playoff contenders Originally Posted by AllSaints Vikings have a very good defense that can carry them into the postseason... Packers have Aaron Rodgers need I say more... Redskins have Cousins who IMO is a franchise QB and redskins Defense is very good.... Bucs defense is very good and another year with Winston they will improve ... Not saying these teams are significantly better than we are ... But they are better... We are a 7-9 football team... Changes on defense we made yeah that's great but our Guards are trash we can't win football games when Brees is running for his life ... We WERE a 7-9 football team with back to back historically bad defenses. Our guards are no worse than they were last year when we finished 7-9. Our WR's are better with the addition of Thomas and another year of development of Cooks and Snead. Our RB's are solid and better with Ingram and Spiller both coming in healthy.

09-05-2016, 07:38 PM	#4
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: Playoff contenders Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We WERE a 7-9 football team with back to back historically bad defenses. Our guards are no worse than they were last year when we finished 7-9. Our WR's are better with the addition of Thomas and another year of development of Cooks and Snead. Our RB's are solid and better with Ingram and Spiller both coming in healthy. True... But I'm coming off preseason... I saw improvement from the defense but still really young... Our guards are no worse but not any better what good is having heathy running backs when you can't make holes... What good is having a new WR when you barely have time to take 3 steps back and throw the ball... Brees needs time to step up in the pocket didn't have it last year... Won't have it this year... 7-9 football team ... Oline is everything and we failed to upgrade that... I'm going to be cheering for this team to win every game like I always have... That will never change ... But the place we needed improvement oline didn't happen so I see another 7-9 aka mediocre season...
	I just want a pass rush... Is that so hard to find.... Apparently....

09-04-2016, 10:37 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: Playoff contenders There are four teams ahead of us. Those four are Seattle, Arizona, Green Bay, and Carolina. Now factor in the winner of the NFC East, which I think is giants. Now you have us contending with Washington, Chicago, and LA. LA is a 6 win team at best this year. Minnesota has Sam Bradford now at QB they are not gonna win 8 games. And Chicago while they finish second in north they may not do better than 8-8 unless they sweep Minnesota and beat Green Bay once. Washington is likely a 9-7 team again. They also are guaranteed to have a better conference record than us. We have to win 10 games. As of now I see us 8-8 and losing to Oakland, NYG, SD, Seattle, @Carolina, @Arizona, TB, and @Atlanta. Some of those are actually winnable with good protection.

09-05-2016, 03:09 AM	#6
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Playoff contenders Originally Posted by WillSaints81 There are four teams ahead of us. Those four are Seattle, Arizona, Green Bay, and Carolina. Now factor in the winner of the NFC East, which I think is giants. Now you have us contending with Washington, Chicago, and LA. LA is a 6 win team at best this year. Minnesota has Sam Bradford now at QB they are not gonna win 8 games. And Chicago while they finish second in north they may not do better than 8-8 unless they sweep Minnesota and beat Green Bay once. Washington is likely a 9-7 team again. They also are guaranteed to have a better conference record than us. We have to win 10 games. As of now I see us 8-8 and losing to Oakland, NYG, SD, Seattle, @Carolina, @Arizona, TB, and @Atlanta. Some of those are actually winnable with good protection. Nothing is "Guaranteed" especially when dealing with the Skinz

09-05-2016, 04:01 PM	#7
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: Playoff contenders Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Nothing is "Guaranteed" especially when dealing with the Skinz Washington has done no better than 2-2 against an AFC opponent dating back to 2002. They usually go 2-2, with 1-3 and 0-4 thrown in occasionally. Washhington should beat Cleveland one of Pittsburgh at home or at Baltimore. If we do not go 3-1 against AFC we will not even go 9-7 unless we go 3-1 against NFC West(meaning beating both Seattle and @SF) or win in NJ. I believe we will go 2-2 again against the other NFC division as we have gone 2-2 or 3-1 since 2005. Still it's best to get 3 wins or more against the AFC to have a chance and that means having to win 10 games. Yes Washington can crap the bed as they have done so after every playoff season. But we'll see. It would take a Couins injury for it to happen.

09-05-2016, 02:21 AM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Playoff contenders yet another year were the the dreaded words " Need Time to Jell" will be heard all to often. That is why I wish the saints would stop jumping one or two players all around. Ir effects all 12 on the field.

09-05-2016, 07:06 AM	#9
LBCutta 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Killeen, TX....Born in Marrero, LA Posts: 592	Re: Playoff contenders Hard to say, we are just too shaky and unpredictable. You never know which team is going to show up from week to week.

09-05-2016, 07:48 AM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Playoff contenders I think there are at least 5 in the NFC and 5 in the AFC maybe more. Our O isn't the quick strike O of old anymore and might never be again with the teams building solid defenses and our defense has never been a solid consistant unit year after year. We may be able to beat lesser teams this season but I can't see us beating contenders unless they beat themselves with mistakes. Those close games last season might not be so close this season.

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