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$20M per year over the past 5 years, but you can't read this.

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He averaged like 20 million per year on his current contract. His guaranteed money was actually on the lower end for QB's. I think he was near 40% guaranteed where as other QB's were in the 50-60% guaranteed range.

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I didn't see this website until now. So please chill with the jumping to conclusions about me.

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Drew Brees
Saints
$100,000,000 $20,000,000 $40,000,000 $8,000,000 40.0%

Current contract is 5 year 100,000,000, with 40,000,000 of it guaranteed.

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And just to clarify: QBs like Matt Ryan are in the 20 million a year range... Brees deserves every bit of 25 million a year

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which conclusions? I haven't drawn any

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Krapernick averages 19,000,000 and cousins is right below 20m per year. You're right

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I've quoted that website dozens of times. If he wasn't so adverse to facts and had me on his ignore list he would have known about it long ago.

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If the board wants to kiss his ass I will go find where the former ESPN saints posters are posting. The mod at SR threw me under the bus with my opinion on Payton's personal life.

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Why would you be pontificating on Payton's personal life?

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I might be the only one on here but I wouldn't sign Brees to a big contract at his age.

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That's your opinion, you're entitled to it, not that I have to tell you that, lol.

I don't agree, but you're more than welcome to feel that way

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Same way here, with no disrepect to anyone that feels we should. It's only opionions.

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I say sign him because:


1) We will be a 3 win team for the rest of this decade without him

2) How much would a starting QB (assuming we could find one) that would give us a chance to sniff the playoffs cost us? Easily $20MM+

3) When you add the fact that Drew is a top 5 QB on a BAD day, how much does that price increase?


YES, Drew makes a ridiculous amount of $$$ when compared to the rest of us and is slated to make even more - in NOLA or elsewhere - but he does not make a ridiculous amount of $$$ compared to other starting QBs.

Brees is not perfect - dare I say he's cost us a game or two here or there - but he is the single reason this team is 7+ wins year in and year out and has a chance to make the playoffs. He also won us a Superbowl.

Sure, 7-9 back to back is VERY disappointing, but it beats the hell out of the end of Mora, the Ditka years, and the end of Haslett (along with the 1960s and most of the 1970s).

Get the deal done, clear up some cap, sign that OL from Dallas (burn up to a 5th rounder for him), and LET'S WIN SOME FOOTBALL GAMES!!!

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I doubt a fifth would touch that OL from Dallas; Dallas is over-charging; especially this late in the ball-game

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Why don't you come back and talk crap to people when you are actually right about something.

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I concur. Why lose the greatest asset we have?

- ok, im not one of the experts around here. Why are we doing this now?
Is this going to be a distraction? Seems like it would have been smarter to do this in the offseason.

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Theyll get a 3 or 4th comp for loosing him in 2018 even if they keep him

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But all he gave was his opinion, i.e "I would limit it to this amount"

No matter who is right and who is wrong, there's no need to jump on someone's opinion, he never said he had anything to do with negotiations, saying the "I would limit it to this amount" is a phrase of speech. Every fan has the right to say what they think is a fair deal and not get blasted by yourself with some sarcastic response.

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I rarely, very rarely ever make predictions. The Saints re-signing Brees was one and re-signing Payton was the other. I got Payton right and while the timing may not have been what I initially projected, the jury is still out on Brees and I still like my chances. You are welcome to search for any other bold predictions I have been wrong about.

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Just pointing out the pervasive tendency of some that our opinions have any real value. I know mine don't when it come to management decisions. That's why I never get bent out of shape by who we sign and for how much, or who we do and do not draft. Opinions are free to share, but the value of them to the real world are pretty much meaningless. More of that Pretend GM stuff.

The problem comes in when the people in the real world do not conform to all the Pretend GM's wishes the Pretend GM's start *****ing and moaning and it makes the act of trying to enjoy the real world less tolerable for the non-Pretend GM's.

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Bree's has incredible work ethic, so his age doesn't bother me. Give him a good online and I bet you'd change your mind...

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I agree about his work ethics, undeniable. But so is father time, undeniable. A 4yr contract puts him at 42 1/2 yrs. old. Payton is all about an aerial attack, stretching the field and so on, for Brees to play at even a decent level at that age would be more of a ground and pound O with short to intermediate passing game. I don't see it. I want be changing my mind wheather the Saints sign him to a big contract or not, but I will root for the Saints with or without Brees pulling the trigger even if I think it's a good move or not.

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Yea dude. A lot of dead money falls off next year. Pair that with the rise in cap money and we will be in the best cap situation we will have been in years. Even with Brees contract.

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The problem is that too many of us base what we believe about the cap on what the media hacks say. I used to work with those media hacks and most of them can't balance a checkbook and they surely have no clue about how the cap works. ;)

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It depends if the FO wants what Brees is asking for.

I will say this we are not prepared for life beyond Brees and that's pretty sad. That's why we will never be associated with other teams and always have our ancient history thrown in our face when we are not winning. Down the road no one is ever gonna want to go out of their way in the media and call Brees one of the all time greats just because "he made the saints relevant unlike any other QB". Just goes to show that we have not evolved and people are right to put us down because they have been right in saying we are a fluke.

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In any case I think his willingness to restart negotiations means he really wants to remain and retire a Saint. There was a point last year where I wondered if he was ready to get away from Saints/Payton.
Looks like he wants to make sure he is set financially before he takes a snap from behind our offensive line.

Also

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:help:

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Good hell man. That's a hell of a negative stance on stuff. I get being realistic, but I don't think "fluke" is the word that I'd choose to describe the Saints.

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fluke1
flo͞ok/Submit
noun
unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck.
"their triumph was no fluke"

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I would be happy with a 4 year 100 million. Brees is still a top 5 qb and should be over the next 3 to 4 years. To be honest I would back load the last two years. Free up some cap in the next two to make a run.

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The guy is a fruitcake.

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It's not like it's yalls money. And yes you do pay for tickets but there is no guarantee that you will or should win when you buy those tickets so that excuse is nonsense. You guys have no idea what goes on behind those doors or in the locker room. Fans only understand about 2% of what goes on in football as a business. You are not privy to that info

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Nobody cares really.

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I'm all about resigning Brees... Whatever it takes

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My kind of family picture AllSaints.

I agree Drew gives the Saints the best shot at being competitive. We have
all said it give him a decent O-line and he can pick apart D's all day long.

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Father time is undeniable, but in today's NFL where the QBs are protected like they are, 42 isn't a bad age if he takes care of himself-which he does. We have no idea what level he'll be playing at 42,but until he shows some major regress, I feel no need to worry about father time. All he needs is some good protection. I do understand your concern and respect your opinion though. I do think that 4 yrs. should be max for him.

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Y'all know me, Just get it done.

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I concur.
AllSaints should get an award for Best Avatar.

Yes, I know a bunch of us would vote for all the boobs, spread legs, cats, & cartoon characters, etc. But I like AllSaints avatar best.

RaginCajun 83 said it best. That other Saints site is like high school. This one is like a strip bar. lol.

Also, I agree w/ you, RB. A standing Drew Brees can pretty much pick apart any team, which means W's for us. Keep Brees standing. We win. Even with the slightest defensive improvement

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25 million by the 4th years will look fair if not possible a bargain. if old man time does not catch up with him or the saints screwing around with the OL does not get him killed first.

sign and trade? Dallas - boat load of picks and Ronald Leary. that puts Dallas in the super bowl chatter for the next couple of years. The saints into the tank and a bunch of picks to try to dig out of the hole and a huge cap space to chase FA