CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints

AsylumGuido · 09-07-2016, 12:45 PM

It makes total sense. Moore is not a vested veteran (four or more years). Finnegan is. They can sign Moore prior to week one and cut him at any point and only be liable for games played. Now Finnegan, if not picked up, can be re-signed AFTER week one and will only be guaranteed four game checks if cut again before week four.

K Major · 09-07-2016, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It makes total sense. Moore is not a vested veteran (four or more years). Finnegan is. They can sign Moore prior to week one and cut him at any point and only be liable for games played. Now Finnegan, if not picked up, can be re-signed AFTER week one and will only be guaranteed four game checks if cut again before week four.

Sterling Moore has played from 2011 -2015 (Bills cut him in 2016).

Why he wouldn't fall under the vested vet category per the terms of the CBA?

AsylumGuido · 09-07-2016, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Sterling Moore has played from 2011 -2015 (Bills cut him in 2016).

Why he wouldn't fall under the vested vet category per the terms of the CBA?

A vested veteran has four seasons of active roster experience. Moore had full seasons the last two years. Five games in 2013. Thirteen in 2012 and six in 2011. That adds up to 56 games experience. Four seasons would be 64 games. According to that he isn't yet vested.

burningmetal · 09-07-2016, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

A vested veteran has four seasons of active roster experience. Moore had full seasons the last two years. Five games in 2013. Thirteen in 2012 and six in 2011. That adds up to 56 games experience. Four seasons would be 64 games. According to that he isn't yet vested.

I don't think years are defined by games as long as you have participated at some point in all of those years.

I have never heard anything to the contrary, and I see nothing anywhere that suggests 64 games is the benchmark to be considered a vested vet. If you have anything concrete that says 64 games, let me know. I don't see anything.

AsylumGuido · 09-07-2016, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I don't think years are defined by games as long as you have participated at some point in all of those years.

I have never heard anything to the contrary, and I see nothing anywhere that suggests 64 games is the benchmark to be considered a vested vet. If you have anything concrete that says 64 games, let me know. I don't see anything.

Let me do some searching again. I came across a source that said explicitly that only games on the 46 man active roster counted toward becoming a vested veteran. From that I gathered four full season at 16 games per season or 64. If games not on the active roster didn't count yet you could get a full year for less that 16 games doesn't make sense.

AsylumGuido · 09-07-2016, 02:49 PM

Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time.

The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting.

Accrued vs. credited seasons
Accrued season
An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran.

Credited season
A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension.

Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell.

ChrisXVI · 09-07-2016, 03:02 PM

Looks like it's just 6 games of the season.

burningmetal · 09-07-2016, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time.

The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting.

Accrued vs. credited seasons
Accrued season
An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran.

Credited season
A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension.

Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell.

Yeah the rules defining "veteran" and pensions are all I have ever seen anywhere. So I can only surmise that the normal rules for a credited season apply to the vested vet rule. That was my assumption, and searching yielded no further clarity. If it doesn't apply, there sure doesn't seem to be any info on it.

09-07-2016, 12:45 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints It makes total sense. Moore is not a vested veteran (four or more years). Finnegan is. They can sign Moore prior to week one and cut him at any point and only be liable for games played. Now Finnegan, if not picked up, can be re-signed AFTER week one and will only be guaranteed four game checks if cut again before week four.

09-07-2016, 01:07 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It makes total sense. Moore is not a vested veteran (four or more years). Finnegan is. They can sign Moore prior to week one and cut him at any point and only be liable for games played. Now Finnegan, if not picked up, can be re-signed AFTER week one and will only be guaranteed four game checks if cut again before week four. Sterling Moore has played from 2011 -2015 (Bills cut him in 2016). Why he wouldn't fall under the vested vet category per the terms of the CBA?

09-07-2016, 01:26 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major Sterling Moore has played from 2011 -2015 (Bills cut him in 2016). Why he wouldn't fall under the vested vet category per the terms of the CBA? A vested veteran has four seasons of active roster experience. Moore had full seasons the last two years. Five games in 2013. Thirteen in 2012 and six in 2011. That adds up to 56 games experience. Four seasons would be 64 games. According to that he isn't yet vested.

09-07-2016, 01:52 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido A vested veteran has four seasons of active roster experience. Moore had full seasons the last two years. Five games in 2013. Thirteen in 2012 and six in 2011. That adds up to 56 games experience. Four seasons would be 64 games. According to that he isn't yet vested. I don't think years are defined by games as long as you have participated at some point in all of those years. I have never heard anything to the contrary, and I see nothing anywhere that suggests 64 games is the benchmark to be considered a vested vet. If you have anything concrete that says 64 games, let me know. I don't see anything. K Major likes this.

09-07-2016, 02:24 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't think years are defined by games as long as you have participated at some point in all of those years. I have never heard anything to the contrary, and I see nothing anywhere that suggests 64 games is the benchmark to be considered a vested vet. If you have anything concrete that says 64 games, let me know. I don't see anything. Let me do some searching again. I came across a source that said explicitly that only games on the 46 man active roster counted toward becoming a vested veteran. From that I gathered four full season at 16 games per season or 64. If games not on the active roster didn't count yet you could get a full year for less that 16 games doesn't make sense.

09-07-2016, 02:49 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time. The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting. Accrued vs. credited seasons Accrued season An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran. Credited season A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension. Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-07-2016, 03:02 PM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Looks like it's just 6 games of the season. K Major likes this.

09-07-2016, 05:30 PM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time. The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting. Accrued vs. credited seasons Accrued season An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran. Credited season A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension. Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell. Yeah the rules defining "veteran" and pensions are all I have ever seen anywhere. So I can only surmise that the normal rules for a credited season apply to the vested vet rule. That was my assumption, and searching yielded no further clarity. If it doesn't apply, there sure doesn't seem to be any info on it.

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