Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Our starters last year were Armstead, Kelemete/Lelito, Unger, Evans and Strief.

Our projected starters for week 1 are Armstead, Peat, Unger Evans and Strief.

What haven't I seen now?

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Look I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong I would also hope that you would eat yours if you're wrong We agree to disagree but I have seen nothing that makes me think what I believe is wrong.If you are proven wrong I would hope That someday you would learn to stop looking through the black and gold spectacles On occasion. When it looks like a duck quacks like a duck It's a duck

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

An offense ranked outside the top 5?

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

That top 5 offense don't mean crap when you sitting home in Jan. With s losing record

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

How exactly is that the Offenses problem? I'm not following you, unless you're agreeing with me that the offense isn't the problem. I didn't read every post in this thread.

I think its pretty clear our main problem has been fielding one of the worst defenses in NFL history for the past several years.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Danno, I don't know how many times we have to have this argument on here. Throwing the ball 50 times a game will always yield big yards. But it also leads to interceptions and sacks/sack fumbles. And at the end of the day we aren't putting up more than 25 a game, which is about average for a half decent offense now. The offensive ranking is extremely hollow.

The question was about the offensive line, not where we rank in yards.

The defense rightfully takes a lot of the blame. There have been ten thousand threads about that. This team has been bottom of the league in rushing, gives up tons of pressures, and just doesn't sustain enough drives, particularly in the biggest games. They can still feast when going against defenses ranked in the lower half.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I just want to point out that what people are saying about our offense last year is not true. It took some time for our offense to improve and in the beginning there was a lot of complaining about how we couldn't move the ball and kept throwing screens and short passes. Also, some of the yards we gained were during garbage time when the opposing team went into prevent, but that said let me add some proof to my claim about the first few weeks:

19,19,22,26,17. Those are the points we scored in the first 5 games

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

All ya'll on all sides of the arguments can blame Brees, Offense, too many yard, lack of points, better offensive line, suck offensive line, whatever --- in the end I blame Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. They have had a lot of talent in recent years ---

• Wasted draft picks (Greyson is typical, could have had more o-line).
• Playcall gets too ambitious.
• Too quick to pass, not enough mix of pass and run.
• Can't beat teams who smack us in the face.

That said, I hope I'm wrong and I hope we go all the way and shut my chubby azz up!

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Oh I agree the defense is a huge problem but that's a entirely different discussion we are talking offensive line and how bad they are. Yes I totally agree the defense has been awful which leads to slot of garbage time stats that inflate the offenses stats

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

If I see it and I hear it then I will accept it - a horrible offensive line - one of the worst in the NFL.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

If we had a decent defense we might not have to air it out so much.

And its not just yards we lead the league in year in and year out. Its nearly every relevant statistical category there is.

We were top 10 in PPG for the last 2 years, and most points per drive.

Not buying it BM.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

yep, look at the dead money ect.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I've made the exact same arguments, Danno, but they are convinced the offensive is one of the worst in the NFL. I'm giving up.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Nope. Nothing I can do about that so I ignore it.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I will agree whole heartedly with that.Sean and Mickey are a lot to blame here no question. I feel they should be on the hot seat myself

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

We were also #1 in 3rd down conversions (2014 AND 2015) so I'm not buying the "can't sustain drives" argument.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

It's because the defense sucks and because we can't run that we air it out so much. That makes for lots of yards, and especially the garbage time yards and points.

And being in the top ten in scoring isn't a big deal. When you look at points per game there isn't much distance from 10 and, say, 16th or 17th in points. An elite offense in today's NFL should average at least about 27 a game. Carolina was 11th in total offense, but led the league in points with over 31 a game. It's amazing what a little balance and sustainability can do for you.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I blame those guys all the time. Right now I'm commenting on players, but there's no question I think the staff has dropped the ball. But, you know, some posters don't want to hear that either. It's a big love fest until it isn't. I can't figure it out.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Some enjoy being a fan and simply being entertained. Others enjoy *****ing.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

No I'm not saying the offense is bad your missing it.the line play on a consistent basic is bad. The inability to open running lanes. Passing game isnt the issue .

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

We had virtually no garbage points and garbage yards over the last 2 years. Totally insignificant


And being top 10 in nearly every offensive category tracked in the NFL is definitely a big deal. In fact, we were top 5 in nearly eavery category over the last 2 seasons.

Conversely being dead last in every relevant defensive category is also a big deal.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

You enjoy *****ing about the opinions of fans. You have a superiority complex. It has nothing to do with enjoying football games. We can enjoy watching games and have opinions. You don't want to question the team? That's you, pal.

But you can't stand on a moral pretense when you are in here condescending to people on a daily basis.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Preach on my brother I am a huge fan right now we are definitely on the same page here

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

There are three major categories. Passing yards, rushing yards and points.

We have sucked at running recently, and we pass 50 times a game. All other stats are pretty meaningless when you are averaging 25 a game. That's all there is to it.

And I'm not sure how you figure we aren't getting garbage yards when we are getting beat up half the year and chunking the ball down the field in the 4th quarter, while good teams are running the clock out.

The defense IS the biggest issue. But it does not wash away the inconsistencies of the offense.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

how many games were we so far behind that we put up tons of garbage yards? Maybe two? Hardly enough to sway season stats

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

But you keep agreeing with burningmetal who claims the line is horrible.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

The line while not being 06-11 good still gave up one of the fewest sack totals.

It was tied 8th best giving up 32 sacks. Then you consider it threw over 660 times only the Giants,Clowns and Ravens threw close to that and had the same or less given up sack.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

The garbage yards aren't the only factor. There were at least 3 games where we got blown out. And in pretty much every game they are putting the ball in the air all day long because they can't run and the defense can't stop anybody. It's all the things I've been saying over and over. You have to finish drives better. That's what matters. It's an alright offense. But they can be a lot better.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I'm not claiming anything. The line HAS been horrible. And telling him he's agreeing with me doesn't make your point. Because I didn't say the offense is bad either. I said the line was, and probably still is. And that holds them back.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

The line is awful. The offensive skill players (qb and wr) are not the issue. They get it done inspite of the line

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

It's isn't the sack total, but the pressure totals that matter. The Saints throw a ton of short passes to combat the lack of protection. And Drew generally has one of the quicker releases, although he has held it a bit longer of late for some reason.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I must agree with the OP. Saints fans are FOS

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Come up with a legitimate argument to defend the offensive line and prove us wrong. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite by making that statement.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

The line is a big part of the reason you see 20-30 screen passes a game because Drew has no time to look down field for somebody Drew is forced to dump it off to the safety valve time and time again.when is the last time we had a 1000 rusher its been a decade this will be 10 years. I get we are a passing team and the league is a passing league but 10 years without a rb without a 1000 yrd rusher. When you average 2.5 or 3 yrd a carry that is telling about a line.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Where does this falicy that the Saints avg 3 ypc come from. Ingram 4.6/4.6/4.9ypc last three years. The worst the have averaged in the past 6 years is 3.6 and 3.8 other than that its been over 4 per carry

We haven't had a 1000yarder as pre Ingram it was a 3 headed committee and since Ingram took over he hasn't because he cant play a full season

Does it need to get better?
Yes

But some people are making our line out to be Jacksonville or Clevelands

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

oh my god i give up you people are blind. we will see who is right very soon i guess. ive never seen such stubborness or blind faith in my life.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Oh go post that to Halo, he was talking about the poor decisions by Loom and SP. I agreed with him, so go ahead and go post to him if you disagree

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Whats blind faith?
I didnt say the line was great as it needs two guards but your saying they run for 2/3 yards per carry when they dont

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

You wanna argue over 3-6 ft OK that's fine but the fact of the matter still stands the line play is bad and has been just about everyone knows it just wanna deny it but when your watching the game in your home or favorite watering hole your sayin omg wtf was that

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Not pointed at anyone on this thread, just hoping people read this after noticing a bad trend this offseason and before season begins.


Look, I have something to say to everyone on this forum.
Saints fans defend their team, even in the bad times. When the season begins, all cards are off the table - poopy preseason are not.

To all those calling out Saints fans for trying to be positive, get over yourself.
Saints fans are Saints fans.

If you're being negative in the hopes of returning to say "I told you so," you need to still get over yourself. Guys like you never return to take their lumps.

If you're arguing to make a point, no problemo.
If you're arguing to start a fight, again get over yourself.

People have no idea what this team will do - that's coming from someone concerned about a lot of things with this team, but I hope they come together and perform their very best.

But please don't come bash fans for being fans, especially days before the season begins.