PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

2016 CHEAT SHEET: NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

Everything you need to know about the New Orleans Saints entering the 2016 season, all in one place.

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(excerpt) To get you ready for the 2016 NFL season, the PFF analysis crew is assembling team “cheat sheets” to catch you up on the latest changes, grades, and rankings of note involving your NFL team

Following a 7-9 campaign in 2015, the New Orleans Saints are looking to bounce back into NFC South contention this season. With a veteran signal caller and impressive line on the offensive side of the ball, can the Saints’ defense improve enough to vault New Orleans back into the playoff conversation?

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Three biggest things to know...

2. The offensive line is very good, and has the potential to be great.

This is a unit anchored by LT Terron Armstead, the third-highest graded tackle in football last season, at 90.8. Meanwhile, Tim Lelito earned the sixth-best run-blocking grade among NFL guards, and Max Unger recorded the sixth-best pass-blocking grade among centers. Sophomore G Andrus Peat should show improvement as he matures in the league after an average rookie season in which he had a handful of bright spots. Finally, RT Zach Strief is only a few years removed from being a top-three tackle in the NFL. This unit is already good, but if all five starters reach their potential, it could be one of the best O-lines in the league...

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Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

The last truly dominant line I can remember was the Cowboys'. That line made Troy, Emmit, and Michael. Those guys were good but that team won on the line...every play just about. So I measure us against that and I just don't see that we are close.

If I'm wrong that's great. I'll take a side of mashed taters with my Crowe. I think our oline is bad and I hope I'm wrong.


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Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Bushrod-Nicks-Goodwin-Evans-Stinchcombe


Thats was as good a line as you'll see. It'll never get the reconised as one for the same reason all the media keep going on about Manning and Brady and now Rodgers and Wilson and ignoring the man the has been there and iut thrown them

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Don't worry, your hope is true.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Well we'll see. Let's just say the preseason didn't offer much encouragement up front. I know we played people out of position, had a big injury, etc. Giving all that its due weight I'm still worried.

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Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

you can't be completely wrong in what you're thinking because if you were we wouldn't be bringing in olineman that can't make other clubs

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

And the front 7, I KNOW is better than 29th -- but I guess they'll just prove that by the end of the year.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

If the Saints offensive line is even slightly above average, it makes sense that at least several, let's say as many as 14 of those teams that are better cut players that just barely miss their cut. It again makes sense that out of those 14 cuts at least three or four are worth looking at and it is not out of the realm of possibility that one or two might even be considered an upgrade to our already above average offensive line. Right?

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

No, not at all. We brought in a tackle that no one wanted. We just brought back Evans, who a total of two teams even looked at, and the one that signed him ended up cutting him. none of these things are being done because Sean thinks our oline is good with the ability to be great. I never remember us looking for guards back when nicks and evans were doing their thing. My hope is that evans gives us enough this year at rg to hold things together. Peat looked better at LG. So there may be hope we could be just decent enough. That could get us to the playoffs.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Once Peat gets a good amount of snaps at LG, he's going to be good. He can run too

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Just needs time to jell

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

That's all we need to have the number one offense in the league again. Add in an improved defense and we don't have anything to worry about.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Except the dreaded "I" bug..

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Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Agree. I usually trust PFF to a fault, and got burned sometimes trusting their figures. Not many times though. But like your saying I think even if you may have 5 superstars, if they cant work together its a mess. They need to jell. Hopefully this year.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I think we'll be OK

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I actually think we'll be alright. We've all played together before and were successful.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

This has to be a joke. I'm going to keep bashing PFF until the day comes that people finally call that garbage what it is.

The offensive line that is UNIVERSALLY acknowledged by observers everywhere as one of the worst in the league, and even our own coach has expressed his concern. You rank them 3rd BEST in pass protection?

For the love of all that is good, can we please stop paying any attention to what these trolls are saying?

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

omg amen to that preach on

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I was listening to NFL radio yesterday and on one of those shows, it may have been the one with Pat Kirwan, they were talking about New Orleans and they said the offensive line is better than many are talking about and they didn't think the Saints would struggle offensively at all. They aren't the only ones. It definitely has not been labeled anywhere close to universally as anywhere close to the worst in the league. I listen to football radio all day long and hear from all kinds of experts all day long and I don't get that impression at all.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

well we only pay attention when it is promising. If this was about how much our oline blew in preseason and how drew was going to get killed and someone posted it, people would disqualify it by where it came from, but because it is sunshine and rainbows....

I hope Jahri solves the grotesque display of our oline in preseason, really do. Our oline is the most glaring weakness we have. If we can do better there we could make the playoffs.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

point and case to my other post was the article by NOLA about week1 predictions. Guy predicted us to get our asses handed to us and it was widely dismissed... go figure

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

What you're hearing now is people giving their expectations for this year. A lot of people are giving, in my opinion, unsubstantiated claims of improvement.

But this grade by PFF is based off of last year. And anywhere you looked or listened people were talking about how they were going to get Drew killed. He was constantly on the run.

And by the way, I don't think the offense will struggle, per se. It's just not going to be anything like it could be, and used to be UNLESS the line improves.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Has it been better? Hell yeah. But to say it is the worst in the NFL when you have not seen it take one snap in an actual game is shortsighted. Do this. Wait until after this weekend and compare their performance against every other line in the league and then you can make an educated evaluation based upon one game. Can you do that?

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Oh, and what you are giving now are unsubstantiated claims, as well. Wait until the real product takes the field in a real game against a real defense.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I agree with you burningmetal PFF is garbage. I don't get why people put any stock into that crap. These are the same people who told everyone Corey white was a very good corner.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Everything they say is garbage, especially if it doesn't support your opinion. :rolleyes:

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I'll tell you what's shortsighted, and that is your interpretation of my post.

Did I say THE worst? No, I said it was AMONG the worst LAST YEAR. This is an article about a grade given to last year's performance by the line.

Do I think it's still bad? Yes. I sure do. There is exactly one different starter from last year, and he is a second year player who has struggled. I haven't proclaimed it the worst line this year. I am always watching for improvement. But I reserve the right to have a certain expectation. But that's all beside the point. This was a reaction to a grade given from last year. I have consistently pointed out the fallacies of their grades over the years.

So maybe you should back off. Can YOU do that?

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Do the same thing that I'm asking of burningmetal, shrimp. Wait to judge the offensive line until they have actual played together as a unit in a real game.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

If the line was so great why are they bringing in people at the last minute to try to fix it.this line is the The exact same line as you had last year and everybody was *****ing about how bad they were so what makes you think there could be any better this year

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I have seen them play. It's the same people. They look bad. Their coach has described it as a concern. You want to go argue with him now? Be my guest. It pains you to imagine that anyone can say something that makes sense, I know.

I expect nothing less from you.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Okay asylum what will it take for you to finally see and admit that they are bad how many games one two three Or after 16 games will you finally admit that they're bad

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

You said, "The offensive line that is UNIVERSALLY acknowledged by observers everywhere as one of the worst in the league." You appeared to agree with that unfounded assessment. You can dismiss PFF if you wish, but then you should also dismiss all of that supposed UNIVERSE that says they are one of the worst in the league. Just wait until you have actually seen them in real action.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

The starters haven't played a game together this preseason.

I guess one could say thats bad because they haven't gelled, but one could also ask how can you judge an O-line that hasn't even played all 5 starters for a single snap yet.

My intuition says they'll be no worse than last year and likely a lot better. Meaning we'll still be a top 5 offense.

The defense was the problem, and it looks like we've upgraded every unit top to bottom.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

I am fully expecting them to NOT look bad. I'll will admit they are bad if and only when they show it as a full unit in real games. I can honestly say I don't know if they will look decent until I see them play.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Now that is completely logical and well reasoned.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

That is based on their past performance. When commenting directly about a grade from last year, I shouldn't have to spell that out. It isn't unfounded. Everyone could see it. I don't care if you want to blow sunshine up the butt of every person associated with the team. But I'm someone who believes in calling it as I see it.

You have no legitimate argument to defend this line. You have only repeated that we should wait to see them. We have seen them many times. I don't know what magic potion you think they have taken to solve all their issues.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Danno
I have no doubt that they'll be a top offense no question they've been one ever since Sean has been here but they've had one for the last 10 years in the last three years we've been a below-average team and it starts up front this team is unable to sustain drives On a consistent basis
Drew id going to put up his numbers there's no question about that none

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

No, you haven't seen them. You have seen some of them with other nonstarters in the backfield and at TE. You have seen them with QB's we do not want in a game. You have not seen one snap of the starters as a unit in a real game against a real opponent. That is a fact. That cannot be disputed. You can believe what you wish but it isn't worth anymore than the credibility you give PFF.

Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'
 

Yes, that and the defense continuously putting the offense into a hole that takes away their ability to be balanced.