PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders

09-13-2016, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Lowest rated at their position

Left guard: La’el Collins, Dallas Cowboys, 40.1

Collins wasn’t horrible in the pass-blocking phase, allowing a hit and two hurries. In the run game, however, he allowed six tackles, including a big one for a loss. Not an ideal day for a Cowboys’ offense that needed to rely on their run game.

Why don't you just geaux ahead and start a He Hate Me & LSU thread?

Danno · 09-13-2016, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Why don't you just geaux ahead and start a He Hate Me & LSU thread?

I tried.

st thomas · 09-13-2016, 09:37 AM

alot of the pass rush could be game planed to a more push and contain than all out go at the qb. but what do i know i played in the 70's.

dizzle88 · 09-13-2016, 09:42 AM

The only play we got any pressure on Derek Carr was the one where we lost contain and he jumped over Harris for a first down.

ChrisXVI · 09-13-2016, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

alot of the pass rush could be game planed to a more push and contain than all out go at the qb. but what do i know i played in the 70's.

Interesting that you mention that because Darryl Tapp said that was indeed the game plan:

"It wasn't that type of game," defensive end Darryl Tapp said. "The game plan put in yesterday, it wasn't extremely conducive to (getting sacks), and it worked perfectly the first three quarters. Now, it's something that we'll have to constantly stress as far as getting even more pressure on the quarterback, but, like I said, the game plan we had yesterday was working. We just got to do a better job as a defense of finishing out the entire game."

The gameplan was specifically to defend Carr, who escaped pressure a few times.

"It wasn't full just pin your ears back and go," Tapp said. "You couldn't do that because this guy's an athletic quarterback."

K Major · 09-13-2016, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The only play we got any pressure on Derek Carr was the one where we lost contain and he jumped over Harris for a first down.

Dizz - Not sure if you had a chance to read this article as it relates to the pass rush or lack thereof.

New Orleans Saints know they have to be better rushing the passer | NOLA.com

dizzle88 · 09-13-2016, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Dizz - Not sure if you had a chance to read this article as it relates to the pass rush or lack thereof.

New Orleans Saints know they have to be better rushing the passer | NOLA.com

Probably the worst excuse I've ever heard!!

The gameplan wasn't to sack him it was to defend him, so we stood there and watched him beat us for 22 4th quarter points.

You don't stop a QB by not trying to sack him, you get to him in the pocket and you'll get in his head.

That right there is why Payton's time is done, The 2009 Sean Payton would have played to win, the last 3 years we have played not to lose and we've lost consistently.

halloween 65 · 09-13-2016, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Probably the worst excuse I've ever heard!!

The gameplan wasn't to sack him it was to defend him, so we stood there and watched him beat us for 22 4th quarter points.

You don't stop a QB by not trying to sack him, you get to him in the pocket and you'll get in his head.

That right there is why Payton's time is done, The 2009 Sean Payton would have played to win, the last 3 years we have played not to lose and we've lost consistently.

I read that article and thought it was funny. Banging him up and getting him gun shy helps alot. Wonder how that game plan will work on qb.'s like Brady, Rothlisburger, Flacco, Rodgers, Manning and the many other qb.'s that will pick a secondary apart with less time that Carr had. Sounds to me Allen thought Carr was going to beat himself, it equaled an epic fail.

dafyaman · 09-13-2016, 11:57 AM

We did pretty well against the run outside that one long run.

K Major · 09-13-2016, 12:04 PM

The final stats were pretty even but there were a few to make note of...

Penalties 14-141 (Oak) 7-53 (Saints)
Rushing 167 (Oak) 88 (Saints)
4th down efficiency 0-0 (Oak) 1-1 (Saints)

09-13-2016, 08:50 AM	#51
Threaded by jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Danno Lowest rated at their position Left guard: La’el Collins, Dallas Cowboys, 40.1 Collins wasn’t horrible in the pass-blocking phase, allowing a hit and two hurries. In the run game, however, he allowed six tackles, including a big one for a loss. Not an ideal day for a Cowboys’ offense that needed to rely on their run game. Why don't you just geaux ahead and start a He Hate Me & LSU thread?
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09-13-2016, 09:29 AM	#52
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders Originally Posted by jeanpierre Why don't you just geaux ahead and start a He Hate Me & LSU thread? I tried.

09-13-2016, 09:37 AM	#53
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders alot of the pass rush could be game planed to a more push and contain than all out go at the qb. but what do i know i played in the 70's. ChrisXVI likes this.

09-13-2016, 09:42 AM	#54
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders The only play we got any pressure on Derek Carr was the one where we lost contain and he jumped over Harris for a first down.

09-13-2016, 10:28 AM	#55
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders Originally Posted by st thomas alot of the pass rush could be game planed to a more push and contain than all out go at the qb. but what do i know i played in the 70's. Interesting that you mention that because Darryl Tapp said that was indeed the game plan: "It wasn't that type of game," defensive end Darryl Tapp said. "The game plan put in yesterday, it wasn't extremely conducive to (getting sacks), and it worked perfectly the first three quarters. Now, it's something that we'll have to constantly stress as far as getting even more pressure on the quarterback, but, like I said, the game plan we had yesterday was working. We just got to do a better job as a defense of finishing out the entire game." The gameplan was specifically to defend Carr, who escaped pressure a few times. "It wasn't full just pin your ears back and go," Tapp said. "You couldn't do that because this guy's an athletic quarterback."
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09-13-2016, 10:32 AM	#56
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,822 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders Originally Posted by dizzle88 The only play we got any pressure on Derek Carr was the one where we lost contain and he jumped over Harris for a first down. Dizz - Not sure if you had a chance to read this article as it relates to the pass rush or lack thereof. New Orleans Saints know they have to be better rushing the passer \| NOLA.com dizzle88 likes this.

09-13-2016, 10:37 AM	#57
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders Originally Posted by K Major Dizz - Not sure if you had a chance to read this article as it relates to the pass rush or lack thereof. New Orleans Saints know they have to be better rushing the passer \| NOLA.com Probably the worst excuse I've ever heard!! The gameplan wasn't to sack him it was to defend him, so we stood there and watched him beat us for 22 4th quarter points. You don't stop a QB by not trying to sack him, you get to him in the pocket and you'll get in his head. That right there is why Payton's time is done, The 2009 Sean Payton would have played to win, the last 3 years we have played not to lose and we've lost consistently.

09-13-2016, 11:54 AM	#58
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders Originally Posted by dizzle88 Probably the worst excuse I've ever heard!! The gameplan wasn't to sack him it was to defend him, so we stood there and watched him beat us for 22 4th quarter points. You don't stop a QB by not trying to sack him, you get to him in the pocket and you'll get in his head. That right there is why Payton's time is done, The 2009 Sean Payton would have played to win, the last 3 years we have played not to lose and we've lost consistently. I read that article and thought it was funny. Banging him up and getting him gun shy helps alot. Wonder how that game plan will work on qb.'s like Brady, Rothlisburger, Flacco, Rodgers, Manning and the many other qb.'s that will pick a secondary apart with less time that Carr had. Sounds to me Allen thought Carr was going to beat himself, it equaled an epic fail. dizzle88 likes this.

09-13-2016, 11:57 AM	#59
dafyaman 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 113	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders We did pretty well against the run outside that one long run.
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09-13-2016, 12:04 PM	#60
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,822 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders The final stats were pretty even but there were a few to make note of... Penalties 14-141 (Oak) 7-53 (Saints) Rushing 167 (Oak) 88 (Saints) 4th down efficiency 0-0 (Oak) 1-1 (Saints)

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