Bellamy's contract...

saintswhodi · 03-09-2005, 03:50 PM

I would have taken that $800,000 and added it to what I was throwing at Hartwell and made a push for him, then drafted Davis, but that\'s just me. I don\'t think he\'s worth it, especially for two more years beyong the coming one, but oh well.

papz · 03-09-2005, 03:58 PM

haha sw you Hartwell junkie. LKelley you are like a computer! :P

So basically 800,00 is like a 35 thousand dollar raise... not bad at all. I would love to have Gleason back, but with the re-signing of McAfee and Mitchell now leading the special teams unit, looks worse and worse everyday. Gleason and Mitchell made a deadly combo blocking punts hopefully we\'ll work something out. We all know how I feel about Mitchell...

RDOX · 03-09-2005, 05:31 PM

I would have taken that $800,000 and added it to what I was throwing at Hartwell and made a push for him, then drafted Davis, but that\'s just me. I don\'t think he\'s worth it, especially for two more years beyong the coming one, but oh well.

What you may be seeing is the \"experience\" factor. Also, he doesn\'t cost that much against the cap. Your point is well taken on the Hartwell thingy. Also, remember that if Gleason goes, as it looks like he will, we are going to be short at special teams and safety. Bellamy closes that gap. Also, you never know what will befall Bellamy in the three years. But, 800K is chump change in the NFL. So, let\'s enjoy him while we have him. One thing for sure, he\'s a TEAM player from the start.

Danno · 03-09-2005, 05:42 PM

That looks like chump-change to me. I think we got a good deal. A middle of the road starting SS, already knows the system, is a fantatsic plan B if Mitchell doesn\'t progress or the Jones to SS idea fails.
I still think a mid-round strong safety is on our draft day wish list. And if Davis is still there he may be the man. A year or two at SS, and if he bulks up slide him over to LB.

This team has a reputation for being cheap. I\'m surprised anyone would complain about slightly overpaying for a player that played pretty well for us last year. Compared to another safety on this team we robbed Jay.

saintswhodi · 03-09-2005, 05:48 PM

Well be surprised bud cause I am complaining. That\'s Hartwell\'s money he is stealing.

I\'m surprised anyone would complain about slightly overpaying

Hmm, my argument was we were overpaying period. Seems like we agree.

[Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

Danno · 03-09-2005, 05:57 PM

Well be surprised bud cause I am complaining. That\'s Hartwell\'s money he is stealing.

And Hartwell would be taking Deuce\'s money

I don\'t think we\'re overpaying for him, and if we were, its very little. My point was so many think we\'re cheap yet will complain about what they believe is overpaying.

GumboBC · 03-09-2005, 06:05 PM

Based on Bellamy\'s play on the field over the past 2 seasons, in which he out perfomed Tebucky Jones and Mel Mitchell, I think that\'s a fairly small salary to pay.

If it\'s one thing I\'ve learned, you don\'t go cutting players that are performing unless you\'ve got a proven guy to replace him. Rookies usally don\'t perform that well. Some do, some don\'t. We know what we have in Bellamy.

saintswhodi · 03-09-2005, 06:05 PM

And Hartwell would be taking Deuce\'s money

Actually Howard is taking Deuce\'s money right now. :P

saintswhodi · 03-09-2005, 06:07 PM

We know what we have in Bellamy.

Yeah. an old slow guy who rarely makes interceptions, but will make 80 tackles cause he is too slow to be used in coverage. I am willing to bet a paycheck Thomas Davis would outperform Bellamy in his rookie year. But, to each his own.

GumboBC · 03-09-2005, 06:12 PM

We know what we have in Bellamy.

Yeah. an old slow guy who rarely makes interceptions, but will make 80 tackles cause he is too slow to be used in coverage. I am willing to bet a paycheck Thomas Davis would outperform Bellamy in his rookie year. But, to each his own.

Keep in mind that there\'s a BIG difference in SS and FS. SS plays in a \"box\" where speed isn\'t nearly of a concern. They play a BIG role in run support. Which is why you see Bellamy making so many tackles in the running game.

In pass defense, Bellamy isn\'t the best in the world. But he\'s experienced and knows how to get in position.

Now, if we get no pass rush and Bellamy has to cover the reciever for a long time, he will, and has, got beaten.

I think Bellamy will be fine, in \'04.

03-09-2005, 03:50 PM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Bellamy's contract... I would have taken that $800,000 and added it to what I was throwing at Hartwell and made a push for him, then drafted Davis, but that\'s just me. I don\'t think he\'s worth it, especially for two more years beyong the coming one, but oh well.

03-09-2005, 03:58 PM	#12
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Bellamy's contract... haha sw you Hartwell junkie. LKelley you are like a computer! :P So basically 800,00 is like a 35 thousand dollar raise... not bad at all. I would love to have Gleason back, but with the re-signing of McAfee and Mitchell now leading the special teams unit, looks worse and worse everyday. Gleason and Mitchell made a deadly combo blocking punts hopefully we\'ll work something out. We all know how I feel about Mitchell...

03-09-2005, 05:31 PM	#13
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Bellamy's contract... I would have taken that $800,000 and added it to what I was throwing at Hartwell and made a push for him, then drafted Davis, but that\'s just me. I don\'t think he\'s worth it, especially for two more years beyong the coming one, but oh well. What you may be seeing is the \"experience\" factor. Also, he doesn\'t cost that much against the cap. Your point is well taken on the Hartwell thingy. Also, remember that if Gleason goes, as it looks like he will, we are going to be short at special teams and safety. Bellamy closes that gap. Also, you never know what will befall Bellamy in the three years. But, 800K is chump change in the NFL. So, let\'s enjoy him while we have him. One thing for sure, he\'s a TEAM player from the start.
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03-09-2005, 05:42 PM	#14
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Bellamy's contract... That looks like chump-change to me. I think we got a good deal. A middle of the road starting SS, already knows the system, is a fantatsic plan B if Mitchell doesn\'t progress or the Jones to SS idea fails. I still think a mid-round strong safety is on our draft day wish list. And if Davis is still there he may be the man. A year or two at SS, and if he bulks up slide him over to LB. This team has a reputation for being cheap. I\'m surprised anyone would complain about slightly overpaying for a player that played pretty well for us last year. Compared to another safety on this team we robbed Jay.

03-09-2005, 05:48 PM	#15
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Bellamy's contract... Well be surprised bud cause I am complaining. That\'s Hartwell\'s money he is stealing. I\'m surprised anyone would complain about slightly overpaying Hmm, my argument was we were overpaying period. Seems like we agree. [Edited on 9/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

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03-09-2005, 05:57 PM	#16
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Bellamy's contract... Well be surprised bud cause I am complaining. That\'s Hartwell\'s money he is stealing. And Hartwell would be taking Deuce\'s money I don\'t think we\'re overpaying for him, and if we were, its very little. My point was so many think we\'re cheap yet will complain about what they believe is overpaying.

03-09-2005, 06:05 PM	#17
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Bellamy's contract... Based on Bellamy\'s play on the field over the past 2 seasons, in which he out perfomed Tebucky Jones and Mel Mitchell, I think that\'s a fairly small salary to pay. If it\'s one thing I\'ve learned, you don\'t go cutting players that are performing unless you\'ve got a proven guy to replace him. Rookies usally don\'t perform that well. Some do, some don\'t. We know what we have in Bellamy.
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03-09-2005, 06:05 PM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Bellamy's contract... And Hartwell would be taking Deuce\'s money Actually Howard is taking Deuce\'s money right now. :P

03-09-2005, 06:07 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Bellamy's contract... We know what we have in Bellamy. Yeah. an old slow guy who rarely makes interceptions, but will make 80 tackles cause he is too slow to be used in coverage. I am willing to bet a paycheck Thomas Davis would outperform Bellamy in his rookie year. But, to each his own.

03-09-2005, 06:12 PM	#20
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Bellamy's contract... We know what we have in Bellamy. Yeah. an old slow guy who rarely makes interceptions, but will make 80 tackles cause he is too slow to be used in coverage. I am willing to bet a paycheck Thomas Davis would outperform Bellamy in his rookie year. But, to each his own. Keep in mind that there\'s a BIG difference in SS and FS. SS plays in a \"box\" where speed isn\'t nearly of a concern. They play a BIG role in run support. Which is why you see Bellamy making so many tackles in the running game. In pass defense, Bellamy isn\'t the best in the world. But he\'s experienced and knows how to get in position. Now, if we get no pass rush and Bellamy has to cover the reciever for a long time, he will, and has, got beaten. I think Bellamy will be fine, in \'04.
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