Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures

K Major · 09-14-2016, 07:15 AM

$40,405,183 in dead money ?? And we wonder why we can't compete.

This franchise is a mess.

neugey · 09-14-2016, 07:16 AM

I know it's sort of a separate issue, but insult to injury is that we never seem to lose guys to free agency the normal way and get the compensatory picks the other teams have. We always begin draft day with one strike against us.

s2kguy · 09-14-2016, 08:30 AM

Does anyone think it's funny (sarcasm) that Evans is counting for over $5 million of dead money and he is on our active roster

neugey · 09-14-2016, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by s2kguy

Does anyone think it's funny (sarcasm) that Evans is counting for over $5 million of dead money and he is on our active roster

Yes he is like a salary cap zombie!

SapperSaint · 09-14-2016, 08:49 AM

Dead Money (Dept for services not rendered) is going to be the down fall of this franchise. 40 million.... FORTY MILLION! Maybe Loomis isn't the genius we think he is. Why does our O&D lines suck? Why does our ENTIRE Defense suck? Because we can't afford the good players. I'm sorry, but having one great/good player (Drew Bre$$) isn't going to win jack squat! I'm not dooming and glooming about the season after one game, but this team is getting worse and worse every year. It is getting hard to watch this team play. It feels like we are filling roster spots with "Well, he won't cost us much" type of players.

AsylumGuido · 09-14-2016, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

Dead Money (Dept for services not rendered) is going to be the down fall of this franchise. 40 million.... FORTY MILLION! Maybe Loomis isn't the genius we think he is. Why does our O&D lines suck? Why does our ENTIRE Defense suck? Because we can't afford the good players. I'm sorry, but having one great/good player (Drew Bre$$) isn't going to win jack squat! I'm not dooming and glooming about the season after one game, but this team is getting worse and worse every year. It is getting hard to watch this team play. It feels like we are filling roster spots with "Well, he won't cost us much" type of players.

Tell me one single good defensive player that dead money kept us from signing? The Saints signed the top rated defensive lineman free agent in the off-season. The Saints signed the top rated free agent LB in the off-season. The Saints attempted to sign (with money not being the issue) the top free agent CB in the off season.

This team is not getting worse. This team is greatly improved over last year's team and that is even with losing two of our top defensive draft choices to injury prior to the start of the season. THAT has nothing to do with dead money. Losing Breaux in the first half of the first game has nothing to do with dead money.

I repeat, tell me what outstanding defensive pieces the Saints missed out on because of dead money.

ChrisXVI · 09-14-2016, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Tell me one single good defensive player that dead money kept us from signing? The Saints signed the top rated defensive lineman free agent in the off-season. The Saints signed the top rated free agent LB in the off-season.

That's not true at all. Malik Jackson, Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan were all better D-Line and LB prospects. A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them.

saintshrimp · 09-14-2016, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

That's not true at all. Malik Jackson, Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan were all better D-Line and LB prospects. A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them.

and why did they have cap space of wait for it NO DEAD MONEY

K Major · 09-14-2016, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them.

From what I saw last week against the Cows... money appears to have been well spent. Harrison, Hankins were disruptive against a very good O line.

jonnyrotten · 09-14-2016, 10:21 AM

Finally everyone is awake on this issue! I welcome you all with open arms...

09-14-2016, 07:15 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,822 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures *$40,405,183* in dead money ?? And we wonder why we can't compete. This franchise is a mess. SapperSaint and Rugby Saint II like this.

09-14-2016, 07:16 AM	#2
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,850 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures I know it's sort of a separate issue, but insult to injury is that we never seem to lose guys to free agency the normal way and get the compensatory picks the other teams have. We always begin draft day with one strike against us.

09-14-2016, 08:30 AM	#3
s2kguy 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Florence, SC Posts: 132	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Does anyone think it's funny (sarcasm) that Evans is counting for over $5 million of dead money and he is on our active roster Halo, jnormand, neugey and 2 others like this.

09-14-2016, 08:42 AM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,850 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by s2kguy Does anyone think it's funny (sarcasm) that Evans is counting for over $5 million of dead money and he is on our active roster Yes he is like a salary cap zombie! Halo and pherein like this.

09-14-2016, 08:49 AM	#5
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Dead Money (Dept for services not rendered) is going to be the down fall of this franchise. 40 million.... FORTY MILLION! Maybe Loomis isn't the genius we think he is. Why does our O&D lines suck? Why does our ENTIRE Defense suck? Because we can't afford the good players. I'm sorry, but having one great/good player (Drew Bre$$) isn't going to win jack squat! I'm not dooming and glooming about the season after one game, but this team is getting worse and worse every year. It is getting hard to watch this team play. It feels like we are filling roster spots with "Well, he won't cost us much" type of players. Ashley and saintshrimp like this.
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09-14-2016, 11:46 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,604	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by SapperSaint Dead Money (Dept for services not rendered) is going to be the down fall of this franchise. 40 million.... FORTY MILLION! Maybe Loomis isn't the genius we think he is. Why does our O&D lines suck? Why does our ENTIRE Defense suck? Because we can't afford the good players. I'm sorry, but having one great/good player (Drew Bre$$) isn't going to win jack squat! I'm not dooming and glooming about the season after one game, but this team is getting worse and worse every year. It is getting hard to watch this team play. It feels like we are filling roster spots with "Well, he won't cost us much" type of players. Tell me one single good defensive player that dead money kept us from signing? The Saints signed the top rated defensive lineman free agent in the off-season. The Saints signed the top rated free agent LB in the off-season. The Saints attempted to sign (with money not being the issue) the top free agent CB in the off season. This team is not getting worse. This team is greatly improved over last year's team and that is even with losing two of our top defensive draft choices to injury prior to the start of the season. THAT has nothing to do with dead money. Losing Breaux in the first half of the first game has nothing to do with dead money. I repeat, tell me what outstanding defensive pieces the Saints missed out on because of dead money.
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09-14-2016, 12:06 PM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Tell me one single good defensive player that dead money kept us from signing? The Saints signed the top rated defensive lineman free agent in the off-season. The Saints signed the top rated free agent LB in the off-season. That's not true at all. Malik Jackson, Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan were all better D-Line and LB prospects. A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them.

09-14-2016, 12:10 PM	#8
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by ChrisXVI That's not true at all. Malik Jackson, Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan were all better D-Line and LB prospects. A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them. and why did they have cap space of wait for it NO DEAD MONEY

09-14-2016, 12:17 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,822 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by ChrisXVI A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them. From what I saw last week against the Cows... money appears to have been well spent. Harrison, Hankins were disruptive against a very good O line.

09-14-2016, 10:21 AM	#10
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 512	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Finally everyone is awake on this issue! I welcome you all with open arms... saintshrimp likes this.

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