Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures

09-14-2016, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

25%... 25% of our cap space is dead money. Man that's hard to wrap my head around. What kind of a way to do business is this?

Only dead money in future periods means something. Dead money in current and past periods does nothing to prevent a team from doing business.

saintshrimp · 09-14-2016, 11:41 AM

Dead money matters asylum if they had half of the 40 at the beginning of free agency this year they would have been able to. Sign quality guys in postions of weakness.they got that 9mill 3 days before the start of the season so of course no one is available

AsylumGuido · 09-14-2016, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

Dead Money (Dept for services not rendered) is going to be the down fall of this franchise. 40 million.... FORTY MILLION! Maybe Loomis isn't the genius we think he is. Why does our O&D lines suck? Why does our ENTIRE Defense suck? Because we can't afford the good players. I'm sorry, but having one great/good player (Drew Bre$$) isn't going to win jack squat! I'm not dooming and glooming about the season after one game, but this team is getting worse and worse every year. It is getting hard to watch this team play. It feels like we are filling roster spots with "Well, he won't cost us much" type of players.

Tell me one single good defensive player that dead money kept us from signing? The Saints signed the top rated defensive lineman free agent in the off-season. The Saints signed the top rated free agent LB in the off-season. The Saints attempted to sign (with money not being the issue) the top free agent CB in the off season.

This team is not getting worse. This team is greatly improved over last year's team and that is even with losing two of our top defensive draft choices to injury prior to the start of the season. THAT has nothing to do with dead money. Losing Breaux in the first half of the first game has nothing to do with dead money.

I repeat, tell me what outstanding defensive pieces the Saints missed out on because of dead money.

AsylumGuido · 09-14-2016, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

Dead money matters asylum if they had half of the 40 at the beginning of free agency this year they would have been able to. Sign quality guys in postions of weakness.they got that 9mill 3 days before the start of the season so of course no one is available

They signed the best quality players at the defensive positions. You can't sign players that do not exist. And that $9 million could have been even more if needed earlier, so that means nothing. The $37 million in dead cap means nothing other than players the money was spent on couldn't produce. It did not stand in the way of anything and THAT is a FACT.

saintshrimp · 09-14-2016, 11:52 AM

Your nuts man but you go ahead keep your eyes closed if you want

AsylumGuido · 09-14-2016, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

Your nuts man but you go ahead keep your eyes closed if you want

Not nuts at all. Answer me. The Saints signed the best free agents at their positions in the off-season. Name ONE top defensive free agent that dead money kept the Saints from signing? Just one.

saintshrimp · 09-14-2016, 12:00 PM

Malik Jackson oliver Vernon Damon Williams Danny trevathan I can go on if you want

saintshrimp · 09-14-2016, 12:03 PM

damon harrison sorry or janoris jenkins ,bruce irvin

ChrisXVI · 09-14-2016, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Tell me one single good defensive player that dead money kept us from signing? The Saints signed the top rated defensive lineman free agent in the off-season. The Saints signed the top rated free agent LB in the off-season.

That's not true at all. Malik Jackson, Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan were all better D-Line and LB prospects. A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them.

neugey · 09-14-2016, 12:08 PM

Brent Grimes. And we could have brought Chris Ivory back.

09-14-2016, 11:38 AM	#21
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by ChrisXVI 25%... 25% of our cap space is dead money. Man that's hard to wrap my head around. What kind of a way to do business is this? Only dead money in future periods means something. Dead money in current and past periods does nothing to prevent a team from doing business.
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09-14-2016, 11:41 AM	#22
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Dead money matters asylum if they had half of the 40 at the beginning of free agency this year they would have been able to. Sign quality guys in postions of weakness.they got that 9mill 3 days before the start of the season so of course no one is available

09-14-2016, 11:46 AM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by SapperSaint Dead Money (Dept for services not rendered) is going to be the down fall of this franchise. 40 million.... FORTY MILLION! Maybe Loomis isn't the genius we think he is. Why does our O&D lines suck? Why does our ENTIRE Defense suck? Because we can't afford the good players. I'm sorry, but having one great/good player (Drew Bre$$) isn't going to win jack squat! I'm not dooming and glooming about the season after one game, but this team is getting worse and worse every year. It is getting hard to watch this team play. It feels like we are filling roster spots with "Well, he won't cost us much" type of players. Tell me one single good defensive player that dead money kept us from signing? The Saints signed the top rated defensive lineman free agent in the off-season. The Saints signed the top rated free agent LB in the off-season. The Saints attempted to sign (with money not being the issue) the top free agent CB in the off season. This team is not getting worse. This team is greatly improved over last year's team and that is even with losing two of our top defensive draft choices to injury prior to the start of the season. THAT has nothing to do with dead money. Losing Breaux in the first half of the first game has nothing to do with dead money. I repeat, tell me what outstanding defensive pieces the Saints missed out on because of dead money.
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09-14-2016, 11:48 AM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by saintshrimp Dead money matters asylum if they had half of the 40 at the beginning of free agency this year they would have been able to. Sign quality guys in postions of weakness.they got that 9mill 3 days before the start of the season so of course no one is available They signed the best quality players at the defensive positions. You can't sign players that do not exist. And that $9 million could have been even more if needed earlier, so that means nothing. The $37 million in dead cap means nothing other than players the money was spent on couldn't produce. It did not stand in the way of anything and THAT is a FACT. Budsdrinker likes this.

09-14-2016, 11:52 AM	#25
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Your nuts man but you go ahead keep your eyes closed if you want

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09-14-2016, 11:56 AM	#26
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by saintshrimp Your nuts man but you go ahead keep your eyes closed if you want Not nuts at all. Answer me. The Saints signed the best free agents at their positions in the off-season. Name ONE top defensive free agent that dead money kept the Saints from signing? Just one.

09-14-2016, 12:00 PM	#27
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Malik Jackson oliver Vernon Damon Williams Danny trevathan I can go on if you want ChrisXVI likes this.

09-14-2016, 12:03 PM	#28
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures damon harrison sorry or janoris jenkins ,bruce irvin neugey and ChrisXVI like this.

09-14-2016, 12:06 PM	#29
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Tell me one single good defensive player that dead money kept us from signing? The Saints signed the top rated defensive lineman free agent in the off-season. The Saints signed the top rated free agent LB in the off-season. That's not true at all. Malik Jackson, Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan were all better D-Line and LB prospects. A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them.

09-14-2016, 12:08 PM	#30
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,591 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Dead Money & Winning/Losing Cultures Brent Grimes. And we could have brought Chris Ivory back.

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