Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur

B_Dub_Saint · 09-28-2016, 08:48 AM

I remembered the year we won the super bowl. We had plenty of injuries that year. We had people to step in and fill the void. Something is very different about this team now.

K Major · 09-28-2016, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

I remembered the year we won the super bowl. We had plenty of injuries that year. We had people to step in and fill the void. Something is very different about this team now.

Solid 2nd tier depth. That 09 team also had an above average special teams group. Bobby McCray, Anthony Hargrove, Tom Johnson were all good players/support players/football smart.

blackangold · 09-28-2016, 09:08 AM

So many are making excuses this year... Injuries being the biggest one. I wonder what the excuse will be next year. What was the excuse the last 2 years?

How many star players did Greg Williams have on defense? Not many, still got the job done.

For those of you making excuses about injuries; we were pretty banged up on defense at times during 09-11 and still won.
In fact many of you remember the 2009 patriots game, we basically signed CBs off the street the day before and not only won but killed the best team in the league.

Losers make excuses, winners find a way.

K Major · 09-28-2016, 09:42 AM

Add in bad drafting & the lack of draft picks. I'm like B&G here. It's getting tired & old of constantly trading up to lose picks. Here is a stat for you ..

Since 2009, the Saints have made 40 picks. The NE Patriots have made 67. The draft has been the core/heart and soul of a franchise. I get the draft is a crap game, however having more darts to throw at the board increases the chance of hitting the bullseye.

Personnel
FA signings
Cuts
Dead Money
Coaching

Injuries are only a small fraction of our problems and why we trot out a losing product on Sundays.

Side note: Scouts ... a pass rusher would be a nice starting place to look in the 2017 draft.

jlaw8920 · 09-28-2016, 10:58 AM

Forget what other teams are doing, the patriots have probably the best coach of all time and the Vikings have arguably the best D in the league.

I agree you can't just cry injuries because every team has them, but I do believe if we weren't missing 6/11 open day starters, the D would be at least in top 22-27 Defense in the league. Which would be enough to have a decent record, with our Offense.

Completely agree that we have a lot of other problems with Dead money, cuts, and drafting.

However, I think even if you have depth on the team, you can't make up for missing over 50% of your team. More likely depth can help when you have 2-3 starters missing.

vpheughan · 09-28-2016, 11:18 AM

Who beside Brees and Harper were here 10 years ago?

Utah_Saint · 09-28-2016, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Who beside Brees and Harper were here 10 years ago?

Jarhi Evans

blackangold · 09-28-2016, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Who beside Brees and Harper were here 10 years ago?

Sean Payton and pretty much the entire coaching staff... with the exception of Greg Williams.

Euphoria · 09-28-2016, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Sean Payton and pretty much the entire coaching staff... with the exception of Greg Williams.

Shaper

Rugby Saint II · 09-28-2016, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Add in bad drafting & the lack of draft picks. I'm like B&G here. It's getting tired & old of constantly trading up to lose picks. Here is a stat for you ..

Since 2009, the Saints have made 40 picks. The NE Patriots have made 67. The draft has been the core/heart and soul of a franchise. I get the draft is a crap game, however having more darts to throw at the board increases the chance of hitting the bullseye.

Personnel
FA signings
Cuts
Dead Money
Coaching

Injuries are only a small fraction of our problems and why we trot out a losing product on Sundays.

Side note: Scouts ... a pass rusher would be a nice starting place to look in the 2017 draft.

You make some very valid points however, crappy drafts can be blamed for most of our problems.

09-28-2016, 08:48 AM	#21
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur I remembered the year we won the super bowl. We had plenty of injuries that year. We had people to step in and fill the void. Something is very different about this team now.

09-28-2016, 08:56 AM	#22
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint I remembered the year we won the super bowl. We had plenty of injuries that year. We had people to step in and fill the void. Something is very different about this team now. Solid 2nd tier depth. That 09 team also had an above average special teams group. Bobby McCray, Anthony Hargrove, Tom Johnson were all good players/support players/football smart.

09-28-2016, 09:08 AM	#23
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur So many are making excuses this year... Injuries being the biggest one. I wonder what the excuse will be next year. What was the excuse the last 2 years? How many star players did Greg Williams have on defense? Not many, still got the job done. For those of you making excuses about injuries; we were pretty banged up on defense at times during 09-11 and still won. In fact many of you remember the 2009 patriots game, we basically signed CBs off the street the day before and not only won but killed the best team in the league. Losers make excuses, winners find a way.

09-28-2016, 09:42 AM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur Add in bad drafting & the lack of draft picks. I'm like B&G here. It's getting tired & old of constantly trading up to lose picks. Here is a stat for you .. Since 2009, the Saints have made 40 picks. The NE Patriots have made 67. The draft has been the core/heart and soul of a franchise. I get the draft is a crap game, however having more darts to throw at the board increases the chance of hitting the bullseye. Personnel FA signings Cuts Dead Money Coaching Injuries are only a small fraction of our problems and why we trot out a losing product on Sundays. Side note: Scouts ... a pass rusher would be a nice starting place to look in the 2017 draft. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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09-28-2016, 10:58 AM	#25
jlaw8920 100th Post Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 123	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur Forget what other teams are doing, the patriots have probably the best coach of all time and the Vikings have arguably the best D in the league. I agree you can't just cry injuries because every team has them, but I do believe if we weren't missing 6/11 open day starters, the D would be at least in top 22-27 Defense in the league. Which would be enough to have a decent record, with our Offense. Completely agree that we have a lot of other problems with Dead money, cuts, and drafting. However, I think even if you have depth on the team, you can't make up for missing over 50% of your team. More likely depth can help when you have 2-3 starters missing.
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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur Originally Posted by vpheughan Who beside Brees and Harper were here 10 years ago? Jarhi Evans

09-28-2016, 12:26 PM	#28
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur Originally Posted by vpheughan Who beside Brees and Harper were here 10 years ago? Sean Payton and pretty much the entire coaching staff... with the exception of Greg Williams.

09-28-2016, 02:24 PM	#29
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur Originally Posted by blackangold Sean Payton and pretty much the entire coaching staff... with the exception of Greg Williams. Shaper

09-28-2016, 03:14 PM	#30
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Why can other teams succeed when injuries occur Originally Posted by K Major Add in bad drafting & the lack of draft picks. I'm like B&G here. It's getting tired & old of constantly trading up to lose picks. Here is a stat for you .. Since 2009, the Saints have made 40 picks. The NE Patriots have made 67. The draft has been the core/heart and soul of a franchise. I get the draft is a crap game, however having more darts to throw at the board increases the chance of hitting the bullseye. Personnel FA signings Cuts Dead Money Coaching Injuries are only a small fraction of our problems and why we trot out a losing product on Sundays. Side note: Scouts ... a pass rusher would be a nice starting place to look in the 2017 draft. You make some very valid points however, crappy drafts can be blamed for most of our problems.

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