Kenny Vaccaro turns down day off, requests defensive players come in to watch film on Monday

WillSaints81 · 10-16-2016, 07:46 PM

Just wow. Let's blame the defense because Payton's cute playcalling constantly puts Carolina back on the field. I have seen enough we just don't do on offense what we used to do.

A top five defense forces four straight punts. This is not a top five defense and we knew that, we said with a top 20 defense we were good enough to win. Payton is trying to hold something back on offense for whatever he has planned. I'm guessing Seattle. Thomas, Snead, Cooks, Ingram alone are good enough to win without having to kill drives with Hill, Cadet. Hill cost us two drives, yes he scores but the redzone doesn't matter, anyone on this offense can score in the redzone but they can't move the chains enough.

Danno · 10-16-2016, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Just wow. Let's blame the defense because Payton's cute playcalling constantly puts Carolina back on the field. I have seen enough we just don't do on offense what we used to do.

A top five defense forces four straight punts. This is not a top five defense and we knew that, we said with a top 20 defense we were good enough to win. Payton is trying to hold something back on offense for whatever he has planned. I'm guessing Seattle. Thomas, Snead, Cooks, Ingram alone are good enough to win without having to kill drives with Hill, Cadet. Hill cost us two drives, yes he scores but the redzone doesn't matter, anyone on this offense can score in the redzone but they can't move the chains enough.

We're 4th best in the NFL on converting 3rd downs.

jeanpierre · 10-16-2016, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Just wow. Let's blame the defense because Payton's cute playcalling constantly puts Carolina back on the field. I have seen enough we just don't do on offense what we used to do.

A top five defense forces four straight punts. This is not a top five defense and we knew that, we said with a top 20 defense we were good enough to win. Payton is trying to hold something back on offense for whatever he has planned. I'm guessing Seattle. Thomas, Snead, Cooks, Ingram alone are good enough to win without having to kill drives with Hill, Cadet. Hill cost us two drives, yes he scores but the redzone doesn't matter, anyone on this offense can score in the redzone but they can't move the chains enough.

Originally Posted by Danno

We're 4th best in the NFL on converting 3rd downs.

Will makes a good point; we were up 21 pts and Payton decides to roll the Rookie kicker out for an ~55+ yard kick rather than convert a 4th and short...

Payton has got to put teams away; that missed field goal was a high risk and it gave Sham Newton great field position which they took advantage...

If he didn't think we could convert, then he shoulda punted as a long field goal like that wasn't necessary and a conversion and continued drive could have really put a nail in this thing and kept our defense off the field longer...

Danno is correct in so far that we do move up and down at times, but when we needed conversions and time of possession, the offense faltered and the team let the Panthers back in the game...

It starts with the coaching decisions and game management...

WillSaints81 · 10-17-2016, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Will makes a good point; we were up 21 pts and Payton decides to roll the Rookie kicker out for an ~55+ yard kick rather than convert a 4th and short...

Payton has got to put teams away; that missed field goal was a high risk and it gave Sham Newton great field position which they took advantage...

If he didn't think we could convert, then he shoulda punted as a long field goal like that wasn't necessary and a conversion and continued drive could have really put a nail in this thing and kept our defense off the field longer...

Danno is correct in so far that we do move up and down at times, but when we needed conversions and time of possession, the offense faltered and the team let the Panthers back in the game...

It starts with the coaching decisions and game management...

We're fourth best on 3rd downs because we are a fast paced offense and have so many opportunities. I have said it before, Payton's playcalling is like gambling. And it's not just a defense that gets stops that is needed. Because of this style of offense, they need turnovers. Which we knew was gonna be hard to get this season. That SD game was a wet dream for the defense fans who crowed about Brees needing short fields to score.

I can with certainty it would be hard for the saints to give up three straight TDs and if Carolina was down 28-3 they would have certainly panicked. Nobody is out of it being down two TDs anymore. It seems though the offense only scores in the first two Qs and takes the third Q off. Offensive stats are inflated by fourth Q desperation. It's not about stats, it's about real time situations.

Six straight drives where only one TD happened. But Payton's gonna do things his way so defense has to learn to play with passion for Hill and Cadet's crappy 3 yarders.

Danno · 10-19-2016, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I can with certainty it would be hard for the saints to give up three straight TDs and if Carolina was down 28-3 they would have certainly panicked. Nobody is out of it being down two TDs anymore. It seems though the offense only scores in the first two Qs and takes the third Q off. Offensive stats are inflated by fourth Q desperation. It's not about stats, it's about real time situations.

How are they inflated by 4th Quarter desperation? Which games were we way behind in the 4th quarter causing inflated stats? We were ahead in 4 of our 5 games. Hardly 4th quarter desperation.

Crusader · 10-16-2016, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We're 4th best in the NFL on converting 3rd downs.

Now now, don't destroy a good story by bringing actual facts...

The Dude · 10-17-2016, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

We're 4th best in the NFL on converting 3rd downs.

And we scored 40 points against what is still a pretty damn good defense. How on earth can anyone blame the offense???? It's the offenses job to score points and that's what they do.

10-16-2016, 07:46 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Kenny Vaccaro turns down day off, requests defensive players come in to watch film on Monday Just wow. Let's blame the defense because Payton's cute playcalling constantly puts Carolina back on the field. I have seen enough we just don't do on offense what we used to do. A top five defense forces four straight punts. This is not a top five defense and we knew that, we said with a top 20 defense we were good enough to win. Payton is trying to hold something back on offense for whatever he has planned. I'm guessing Seattle. Thomas, Snead, Cooks, Ingram alone are good enough to win without having to kill drives with Hill, Cadet. Hill cost us two drives, yes he scores but the redzone doesn't matter, anyone on this offense can score in the redzone but they can't move the chains enough.

10-16-2016, 07:55 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Kenny Vaccaro turns down day off, requests defensive players come in to watch film on Monday Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Just wow. Let's blame the defense because Payton's cute playcalling constantly puts Carolina back on the field. I have seen enough we just don't do on offense what we used to do. A top five defense forces four straight punts. This is not a top five defense and we knew that, we said with a top 20 defense we were good enough to win. Payton is trying to hold something back on offense for whatever he has planned. I'm guessing Seattle. Thomas, Snead, Cooks, Ingram alone are good enough to win without having to kill drives with Hill, Cadet. Hill cost us two drives, yes he scores but the redzone doesn't matter, anyone on this offense can score in the redzone but they can't move the chains enough. We're 4th best in the NFL on converting 3rd downs. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

10-16-2016, 09:20 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Kenny Vaccaro turns down day off, requests defensive players come in to watch film on Monday Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Just wow. Let's blame the defense because Payton's cute playcalling constantly puts Carolina back on the field. I have seen enough we just don't do on offense what we used to do. A top five defense forces four straight punts. This is not a top five defense and we knew that, we said with a top 20 defense we were good enough to win. Payton is trying to hold something back on offense for whatever he has planned. I'm guessing Seattle. Thomas, Snead, Cooks, Ingram alone are good enough to win without having to kill drives with Hill, Cadet. Hill cost us two drives, yes he scores but the redzone doesn't matter, anyone on this offense can score in the redzone but they can't move the chains enough. Originally Posted by Danno We're 4th best in the NFL on converting 3rd downs. Will makes a good point; we were up 21 pts and Payton decides to roll the Rookie kicker out for an ~55+ yard kick rather than convert a 4th and short... Payton has got to put teams away; that missed field goal was a high risk and it gave Sham Newton great field position which they took advantage... If he didn't think we could convert, then he shoulda punted as a long field goal like that wasn't necessary and a conversion and continued drive could have really put a nail in this thing and kept our defense off the field longer... Danno is correct in so far that we do move up and down at times, but when we needed conversions and time of possession, the offense faltered and the team let the Panthers back in the game... It starts with the coaching decisions and game management...
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10-17-2016, 12:57 AM	#4
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Kenny Vaccaro turns down day off, requests defensive players come in to watch film on Monday Originally Posted by jeanpierre Will makes a good point; we were up 21 pts and Payton decides to roll the Rookie kicker out for an ~55+ yard kick rather than convert a 4th and short... Payton has got to put teams away; that missed field goal was a high risk and it gave Sham Newton great field position which they took advantage... If he didn't think we could convert, then he shoulda punted as a long field goal like that wasn't necessary and a conversion and continued drive could have really put a nail in this thing and kept our defense off the field longer... Danno is correct in so far that we do move up and down at times, but when we needed conversions and time of possession, the offense faltered and the team let the Panthers back in the game... It starts with the coaching decisions and game management... We're fourth best on 3rd downs because we are a fast paced offense and have so many opportunities. I have said it before, Payton's playcalling is like gambling. And it's not just a defense that gets stops that is needed. Because of this style of offense, they need turnovers. Which we knew was gonna be hard to get this season. That SD game was a wet dream for the defense fans who crowed about Brees needing short fields to score. I can with certainty it would be hard for the saints to give up three straight TDs and if Carolina was down 28-3 they would have certainly panicked. Nobody is out of it being down two TDs anymore. It seems though the offense only scores in the first two Qs and takes the third Q off. Offensive stats are inflated by fourth Q desperation. It's not about stats, it's about real time situations. Six straight drives where only one TD happened. But Payton's gonna do things his way so defense has to learn to play with passion for Hill and Cadet's crappy 3 yarders.

10-19-2016, 11:16 AM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Kenny Vaccaro turns down day off, requests defensive players come in to watch film on Monday Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I can with certainty it would be hard for the saints to give up three straight TDs and if Carolina was down 28-3 they would have certainly panicked. Nobody is out of it being down two TDs anymore. It seems though the offense only scores in the first two Qs and takes the third Q off. Offensive stats are inflated by fourth Q desperation. It's not about stats, it's about real time situations. How are they inflated by 4th Quarter desperation? Which games were we way behind in the 4th quarter causing inflated stats? We were ahead in 4 of our 5 games. Hardly 4th quarter desperation.

10-16-2016, 11:01 PM	#6
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,031	Re: Kenny Vaccaro turns down day off, requests defensive players come in to watch film on Monday Originally Posted by Danno We're 4th best in the NFL on converting 3rd downs. Now now, don't destroy a good story by bringing actual facts... RockyMountainSaint likes this.

10-17-2016, 11:45 AM	#7
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Kenny Vaccaro turns down day off, requests defensive players come in to watch film on Monday Originally Posted by Danno We're 4th best in the NFL on converting 3rd downs. And we scored 40 points against what is still a pretty damn good defense. How on earth can anyone blame the offense???? It's the offenses job to score points and that's what they do.
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