Nothing wrong with complaining, for the past 3 seasons the team has been an embarrassment. Everyone knows changes need to be made, I personally believe it's time to start over without Payton, Loomis and all his coaching buddies.

I like to go into sundays excited about the game, but the Saints always manage to dampen my spirits somehow.

Like last week, I was ecstatic when we were 21-0 up, then it was 38-38 with 11 seconds to go. That shouldn't happen and it starts with Payton.

well, I think from 2-4, yeah it is pretty good. and yes at 2-4 that is definitely where we are at brother

Yes, 9-7 would be good considering where we are, no doubt.

Just a sad low point for this team as its getting harder and harder to remember the good times.

Feel bad for Brees, he deserves so many more rings and it's likely he'll get no more.

Forty plus of the last fifty years have been what many here would see as far worse than an embarrassment. When I look back over my life I can see quite a few periods which I might wish were handled differently. But I know they are all a part of the process of life.

Things aligned in my life to make things better. Things are aligning with the Saints to make them better, as well. Those things can happen this season and with positive thoughts they have a better chance of success.

We all have different experiences in life that cause us to feel any number of different ways. You don't have the first clue what I, or anyone else here have experienced. Some people you might say are over the top negative, but a lot of people also just state the obvious, and when you are 2-4, the obvious isn't pretty.

People, myself included, want to blow off some steam after a frustrating loss and talk about what we saw.

But your attempt at convincing all of us that your motivation for chastising us is based on your need to "think positive" holds no weight when you come here to complain about people. If it stresses you out to read a realistic take on a game, then find another activity. I'm not in the business of telling people what to do with their time, but honestly, if you were so hell bent on positive thoughts you wouldn't be in here complaining about everyone.

Simply disagreeing would suffice. You claim you used to be negative. Yet because you have supposedly become captain positive, you have the right to call others whiners? You clearly lack humility.

It is telling that there are less than five people here than I can identify as over the top negative and a couple that are borderline. Yet, I have had many more agree with my concerns.

I don't know if the defense is even going to get better with everyone healthy but I love the way the offense looks compared to the last few seasons. If Snead grabs the throw that hit him dead in his hands and MI holds on to the damn ball we are probably still winning this game. I still believe in this team.