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Hey Whoodi - how many rushing yards do you think Deuce will have when the Saints big threats out on the corners are Stallworth (that is, if he doesn\'t pull another hammy) and Gardner? Think teams might stack the line of scrimmage? Don\'t want to sign Horn b/c it stops the Saints from signing which big name LB that you think the Saints are realistically pursuing (as compared to who you wish they would sign)????

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We will sign horn to a long term deal......because we are not as smart as the Pats. they dont care who you are, when you get to a certain age you are gone if you are gonna cost $$$$$$$. Horn should play out his contract or go. that is the two options!!!!or we should pull a Pats. I know he is a fan favorite, but this is a business!!!!

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Hey WHoDat, did you not see my option was to trade Horn and attempt to find a replacement? :o

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LOL

You wouldn\'t know \"big play\" if it punched you in the face.

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Horn is a \"go to\" reciever. He is there to make the catches when we need them most. (Most of the time). He\'s still good. Give him a heavy ended contract or an incintive based deal and keep him. Re-work Deuce\'s deal and give him the money he deserves.

Or I guess we could cut Deuce and see if Ricky \"The Doper\" Williams could come back. He could get stoned before every game and try to \"find himself\". Then after games when the press is interviewing him why he ran the wrong way on 1st and goal, he would just laugh and eat Funyans. Hey...maybe thats why AB is always laughing!

Seriously, Joe can still play and can be counted on for a few more seasons. Pay the man and shut him up.

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somewhat parallel news in carolina (pro football weekly)-

The Panthers’ decision to release WR Muhsin Muhammad wasn’t exactly a surprise — it had been expected if the team couldn’t come to terms on a restructured deal that would allow Carolina to avoid paying a $10 million roster bonus that was due March 1. Muhammad quickly signed with the Bears, but the Panthers aren’t weeping over their loss. We’re told Carolina general manager Marty Hurney certainly felt a sense of loyalty to one of the last remaining original Panthers, but the team no longer believed Muhammad was worth the kind of cash he was asking for — reportedly in the neighborhood of $5 million a year. We hear the Panthers took Muhammad’s age — 32 — into account, then recognized the fact that Muhammad has only had three 1,000-yard seasons, and only one in the last four years. The Panthers’ long-term financial health outweighed the team’s loyalty, and Muhammad was allowed to walk. We’re told that even if Muhammad has another breakout season in 2005, the Panthers believe they made the best decision for the team in the long run.

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Wow. Best decision IN THE LONG RUN. Imagine that. Didn\'t Muhammed just go to the pro bowl? Wow. So some teams understand the NFL is a business? Wow. Hey Who, what kind of crack are they passing out in Carolina?

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Didn\'t You here...It\'s steroids , Not crack!


http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/CAR/8290120

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Muhammad is not in the same class as Horn, so don\'t even go there.
Would he have had the type of year he did, if Steve Smith hadn\'t missed the entire season because of injury? I think not.

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Yeah, cause Rodney Peete and Chris Weinke are such great QBs. Come on BNB. Muhammed was a good receiver BEFORE Joe Horn. Anybody know who our receivers were when he had Weurffel and the Bobby Joes QBing? Did we have any pro bowlers? 1999 Muhammed 96 catches, 1253 yards 8 Tds. Sound like Joe? 2000 102 catches 1183 yards 6 Tds. Sound like Joe? Then the Winke experiment and the old man river Peete experiment.

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You\'re coming dangerously close to poking holes in your anti-AB sentiment.

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I have no problem saying AB is better than Rodney Peete and Chris Weinke. :P

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Doesn\'t deny the fact that Horn means a helluvalot more to this team than Muhsin did to the Panthers.

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That\'s your opinion, and I have no problem with that. The way I see it, if we had Muhammed, he would have done the same if not better than Joe Horn. But I guess that is the difference between the way you and I see it. Horn isn\'t irreplaceable to me, and there are many receivers I consider better, numbers aside.

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At some point, IMO, you have to look past a guy\'s talent or size or speed, and look at what he does on the field. Are there more than 5 WRs out there with more talent and athleticism than Joe Horn? I have no doubt in my mind that is the case. Are there five WRs who are capable of producing great numbers over a season? Absolutely. Are there more than 5 guys who can go to the Pro Bowl in the Saints offense 4 out of 5 years... doubtful. Joe Montana wasn\'t the biggest or strongest. Dan Marino was pretty dumb and immobile. Jerry Rice was never touted as particularly fast or elusive or strong. If you looked at Vaughn Johnson next to Sam Mills and only considered size, strength, and athleticism, you\'d have taken Johnson over Mills every day of the week - and you would have picked the wrong guy every day of the week too. Production is all that matters, IMO. 1300 yards receiving is better than 1000. 60% completion percentage is better than 55%. If a guy does it once, question it. If he does it game in and game out for 5 years, at some point, you have to give the man his due. How else can he prove it week in and week out?

Who is a better athlete, David Boston or Joe Horn?
Who is a better WR?

Joe Horn has been told to put his money where his mouth is time and again, and he hasn\'t disappointed once. If you don\'t think that\'s worth something in this NFL, when the Saints spend millions of dollars on Tebucky Jones or Jonathan Sullivan, then I don\'t know what to tell you...

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Hey thanks Joe. I appreciate what ya did. But you\'re 33. See Joe Montana. See Drew Bledsoe. See Jerry Rice. See Tim Brown. See Emmitt Smith. And on and on and on. Teams DO NOT hold on to players just cause of what they did in the past. If that was the case, how did all these hall of famers get to leave their teams and finish their careers elsewhere? Earl Campbell, Ken Stabler, Rickey Jackson, Sam Mills, Pat Swilling. None finished their careers where they had their greatest success. Archie. Starting to see it now? The NFL is a BUSINESS, plain and simple. You don\'t get paid for what you did, you get paid for what you WILL continue to do. See Bruce Smith. Is Joe better than any of these guys? No. Did they finish their careers on the same team? No.

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I must agree. I heard a GM state on WWL a few weeks back that team loyalty to older popular players is a death blow to NFL teams nowadays.

I think Joe is worth somewhere between what he wants and what he\'s due to get. Damm, I sound like a politician.