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jnormand · 03-13-2005, 12:26 AM

For those of you who are saying that Horn is no Jerry Rice. Here are some stats of both recievers when they were 33 years old. Joe is no Jerry, but you may be surprised to see this.

Jerry Rice
108 catches 1254 yds 11.6 avg 8 tds 20yds+ 11 40yds+ 0

Joe Horn
94 catches 1399 yds 14.9 avg 11 tds 20yds+ 22 40yds+ 4

Looks pretty good to me. I say sign Horn, let him finish his career here or at least give the man the opportunity to show that he can produce good numbers for the next few years.

shadowdrinker · 03-13-2005, 01:50 AM

Welcome to the Board J...

Let me assure you..

When the Season gets started..this will be a weekly discussion...

One thing will remain constant throughout....

Most of the people will not care what numbers he puts up..the only number they can see is age, how much he affects the salary cap, and how many TD\'s he makes won\'t matter...I\'m not only refering to this board..but, nationwide...

jnormand · 03-13-2005, 01:58 AM

Thanks shadow. Like I said, he\'s no Jerry, but he\'s consistantly good every year. How can anyone argue with his stats?

Euphoria · 03-13-2005, 02:29 AM

maybe, just maybe... if he caught some of the passes he should have caught instead of dropping a wide open endzone TD. He\'d have 108 catches. Jerry also produced threw out his career and won some very important games. I like Horn don\'t get me wrong but lets be real, comparing HOrn to Rice is like comparing Brooks to Joe Montana.

saintswhodi · 03-13-2005, 01:14 PM

Euph, no truer words..............

spkb25 · 03-13-2005, 04:33 PM

joe horn is the best wo we have ever had he is also currently our best wo

jnormand · 03-13-2005, 05:00 PM

I wasn\'t saying Joe Horn is Jerry Rice. I was comparing stats related to their age. I know that Jerry is the Man, but Horn is pretty damn good. I was just saying that I believe Horn is capable of producing numbers near or close to last seasons for a few more years.

shadowdrinker · 03-13-2005, 05:43 PM

You might see the F.O this year get yet again another WR in the 2nd round...

Joe Horn, for all his problems..is the best WR we have...

If we had another guy who we knew could be a number 1 guy, it wouldn\'t be much of a problem releasing Horn.

Reality is..it is a problem...

Stallworth cannot be counted on the take over just yet...maybe after one more good year...

Outside of Stallworth, noone even comes close to competing for a Starting job...We just don\'t have the depth to let Horn go..not yet...

WR might be a very good early round pick up...We are going to need some help, and soon

Would you be amazed to see us get a WR with the 1st pick?

How bout a 2nd?

You never know...The right guy falls..and we end up getting bpa..

[Edited on 14/3/2005 by shadowdrinker]

frankeefrank · 03-14-2005, 01:36 AM

I agree, Joe deserves the money... But to back up the age argument... How many more 100 catch seasons has rice had?

Answer: 0
How many 10+ TD seasons since 33?

once again the answer: 0

That has to be factored in this, hopefully by Joe\'s agent, cause I don\'t want to lose him

jnormand · 03-14-2005, 02:27 AM

I agree Frank. But even if JH can produce an 85 to 90 catches a year average over the next 3 years....wouldn\'t that be good enough? Do I know that Joe can do such a thing...no. But I say keep him until he proves otherwise. He hasn\'t shown any signs of slowing down. Harrison and T.O. are considered two of the best in the league, and they are pretty close to Joes age. Like I said, I think you keep a guy around until he shows he is losing gas. You can\'t pull the plug because you think he is getting old. He caught 94 passes last season, doesn\'t look like he is as old as he is made out to be. There is reason to start talking or thinking about some concerns, but until he shows signs of slowing down, pay him the money and keep him around.

03-13-2005, 12:26 AM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Joe Horn 2 For those of you who are saying that Horn is no Jerry Rice. Here are some stats of both recievers when they were 33 years old. Joe is no Jerry, but you may be surprised to see this. Jerry Rice 108 catches 1254 yds 11.6 avg 8 tds 20yds+ 11 40yds+ 0 Joe Horn 94 catches 1399 yds 14.9 avg 11 tds 20yds+ 22 40yds+ 4 Looks pretty good to me. I say sign Horn, let him finish his career here or at least give the man the opportunity to show that he can produce good numbers for the next few years.

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shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Joe Horn 2 Welcome to the Board J... Let me assure you.. When the Season gets started..this will be a weekly discussion... One thing will remain constant throughout.... Most of the people will not care what numbers he puts up..the only number they can see is age, how much he affects the salary cap, and how many TD\'s he makes won\'t matter...I\'m not only refering to this board..but, nationwide...
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Joe Horn 2 Thanks shadow. Like I said, he\'s no Jerry, but he\'s consistantly good every year. How can anyone argue with his stats?

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Joe Horn 2 maybe, just maybe... if he caught some of the passes he should have caught instead of dropping a wide open endzone TD. He\'d have 108 catches. Jerry also produced threw out his career and won some very important games. I like Horn don\'t get me wrong but lets be real, comparing HOrn to Rice is like comparing Brooks to Joe Montana.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Joe Horn 2 I wasn\'t saying Joe Horn is Jerry Rice. I was comparing stats related to their age. I know that Jerry is the Man, but Horn is pretty damn good. I was just saying that I believe Horn is capable of producing numbers near or close to last seasons for a few more years.

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shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Joe Horn 2 You might see the F.O this year get yet again another WR in the 2nd round... Joe Horn, for all his problems..is the best WR we have... If we had another guy who we knew could be a number 1 guy, it wouldn\'t be much of a problem releasing Horn. Reality is..it is a problem... Stallworth cannot be counted on the take over just yet...maybe after one more good year... Outside of Stallworth, noone even comes close to competing for a Starting job...We just don\'t have the depth to let Horn go..not yet... WR might be a very good early round pick up...We are going to need some help, and soon Would you be amazed to see us get a WR with the 1st pick? How bout a 2nd? You never know...The right guy falls..and we end up getting bpa.. [Edited on 14/3/2005 by shadowdrinker]
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frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Joe Horn 2 I agree, Joe deserves the money... But to back up the age argument... How many more 100 catch seasons has rice had? Answer: 0 How many 10+ TD seasons since 33? once again the answer: 0 That has to be factored in this, hopefully by Joe\'s agent, cause I don\'t want to lose him
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Joe Horn 2 I agree Frank. But even if JH can produce an 85 to 90 catches a year average over the next 3 years....wouldn\'t that be good enough? Do I know that Joe can do such a thing...no. But I say keep him until he proves otherwise. He hasn\'t shown any signs of slowing down. Harrison and T.O. are considered two of the best in the league, and they are pretty close to Joes age. Like I said, I think you keep a guy around until he shows he is losing gas. You can\'t pull the plug because you think he is getting old. He caught 94 passes last season, doesn\'t look like he is as old as he is made out to be. There is reason to start talking or thinking about some concerns, but until he shows signs of slowing down, pay him the money and keep him around.