Next offseason we need to re-establish our identity

WillSaints81 · 11-19-2016, 06:20 PM

as one of the top offenses in the leagues, and near or at the top. That includes reclaiming our standing as the best offense in the division over the likes of Atlanta.

I would rather quit watching the NFL then admit our best offense could have been topped by someone in our division.

vpheughan · 11-19-2016, 06:23 PM

Number One in Offense and Last in Defense = 7-9 year after year after year after year after year...........

ChrisXVI · 11-19-2016, 06:26 PM

We ARE the number one offense in the league statistically.

WillSaints81 · 11-19-2016, 10:04 PM

It sure hasn't looked like it with our first halfs recently. And while statistically we are number one we're not a better offense than the clowns atm. We'll see if the second half schedule slows that down.

The Dude · 11-19-2016, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

It sure hasn't looked like it with our first halfs recently. And while statistically we are number one we're not a better offense than the clowns atm. We'll see if the second half schedule slows that down.

We have the top offense in spite of some ****ty first half performances.

hagan714 · 11-20-2016, 09:37 AM

Identity? OL needs a piece or two.

But what is really missing from the playbook is the Reggie/ Sproles type of player.

Defense I think we may have repeated that FA LB sweep from years ago.

DL is coming around but a piece or two is needed

Attitude is huge void in the secondary. swagger in more of a hop skip and a jump. This needs to be addressed big time.

The Dude · 11-20-2016, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Identity?

Attitude is huge void in the secondary. swagger in more of a hop skip and a jump. This needs to be addressed big time.

A lot of this is due to youth. It's hard to have swagger when you are an inexperienced player who should probably be on the practice squad first but are forced into starting. It's got to be a little intemidating going up against seasoned offensive players.

jeanpierre · 11-20-2016, 02:26 PM

Hey, this season AIN'T over yet, Bro...

There's plenty of football left to be played to not only establish our identity...

But I want to see our opportunity like the S'hawks did us and have our day in the playoffs...

Defense is gel-ling; did you not see that effort in coverage by Robertson on Ginn? (Who's catch was bullshinski as he was still cradling the ball as he slid out the back of the endzone, but that's done)

D-line is learning to play together and with Byrd jettisoned next season, we're gonna have one helluva secondary...

Hagan, hit it on the head, a couple of new road graders at the guard positions and with Peat making Armstead first round trade bait - lookthef*ckout...

But this season ain't over; not by a long shot...

Rugby Saint II · 11-20-2016, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

A lot of this is due to youth. It's hard to have swagger when you are an inexperienced player who should probably be on the practice squad first but are forced into starting. It's got to be a little intemidating going up against seasoned offensive players.

You hit the nail on the head. Swagger comes with good play repeatedly over time. Young players new to the NFL need time to adjust to the speed of the game or as in our case to learn what the hell is going on out there. We don't have a ton of high draft picks in the secondary and it takes time to learn to work as a unit while you just try not to screw up and implement a game plan that you don't really understand.

Swagger comes with confidence. Right now we don't have that......but by the end of this season we may have already started establishing this new identity. After all Laurinitis is gone and Robertson who looked like an after thought has stepped up nicely and been solid in the middle. We are young and have good players returning from IR next year. The Saints are young and talented. We need seasoning to get better.

Oh yes, and a real special teams coach!

Personally, I've given up on this season for the first time ever. Sadly I'm just not buying it the rest of this year. I seem to have misplaced my beer goggles. I'll be thirsty for Kool-Aid by training camp though.

K Major · 11-20-2016, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

There's plenty of football left to be played to not only establish our identity...

And it starts with SEAN PAYTON. Watching this play out the last 3 + seasons has to makes some wonder where the decision making and quality of leadership has gone. Special teams isn't just bad, it's embarrassing. You call out Lutz and Murphy but why not call out Coach McMahon? Teams are looking at our protection and attacking (see Denver). ST has been the direct result of 3 losses so far (NY, DEN, CAR) & possible contributor with OAK and ATL. It's a clown show.

Far too much complacency and mediocrity on this team.

11-19-2016, 06:20 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Next offseason we need to re-establish our identity as one of the top offenses in the leagues, and near or at the top. That includes reclaiming our standing as the best offense in the division over the likes of Atlanta. I would rather quit watching the NFL then admit our best offense could have been topped by someone in our division.

11-19-2016, 06:23 PM	#2
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,520	Re: Next offseason we need to re-establish our identity Number One in Offense and Last in Defense = 7-9 year after year after year after year after year........... SaintsBro likes this.
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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Next offseason we need to re-establish our identity It sure hasn't looked like it with our first halfs recently. And while statistically we are number one we're not a better offense than the clowns atm. We'll see if the second half schedule slows that down.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Next offseason we need to re-establish our identity Originally Posted by WillSaints81 It sure hasn't looked like it with our first halfs recently. And while statistically we are number one we're not a better offense than the clowns atm. We'll see if the second half schedule slows that down. We have the top offense in spite of some ****ty first half performances.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Next offseason we need to re-establish our identity Originally Posted by hagan714 Identity? Attitude is huge void in the secondary. swagger in more of a hop skip and a jump. This needs to be addressed big time. A lot of this is due to youth. It's hard to have swagger when you are an inexperienced player who should probably be on the practice squad first but are forced into starting. It's got to be a little intemidating going up against seasoned offensive players. hagan714 and Rugby Saint II like this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Next offseason we need to re-establish our identity Originally Posted by The Dude A lot of this is due to youth. It's hard to have swagger when you are an inexperienced player who should probably be on the practice squad first but are forced into starting. It's got to be a little intemidating going up against seasoned offensive players. You hit the nail on the head. Swagger comes with good play repeatedly over time. Young players new to the NFL need time to adjust to the speed of the game or as in our case to learn what the hell is going on out there. We don't have a ton of high draft picks in the secondary and it takes time to learn to work as a unit while you just try not to screw up and implement a game plan that you don't really understand. Swagger comes with confidence. Right now we don't have that......but by the end of this season we may have already started establishing this new identity. After all Laurinitis is gone and Robertson who looked like an after thought has stepped up nicely and been solid in the middle. We are young and have good players returning from IR next year. The Saints are young and talented. We need seasoning to get better. Oh yes, and a real special teams coach! Personally, I've given up on this season for the first time ever. Sadly I'm just not buying it the rest of this year. I seem to have misplaced my beer goggles. I'll be thirsty for Kool-Aid by training camp though. hagan714 likes this.
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