Sunday Darren Howard

LKelley67 · 03-13-2005, 01:14 AM

i didn't see this on yesterday's thread-

NO DAT
Saturday, March 12, 2005
By JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR / The Dallas Morning News

IRVING ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Âœ The Cowboys still want New Orleans Saints defensive end Darren Howard, but they're no longer willing to part with middle linebacker Dat Nguyen to complete a deal, two sources said Saturday.

A source said Jim Steiner, Nguyen's agent, spoke to a team representative Saturday and was assured that Nguyen would not be traded. Initially, the Cowboys were willing to discuss an offer for Nguyen, but decided they didn't want to part with him, two sources said.

Nguyen, owner Jerry Jones and vice president Stephen Jones could not be reached for comment.

The Saints wanted Nguyen, who had a team-high 135 tackles with three interceptions last season, because he's a productive player, and he's close to Saints owner Tom Benson.

The Cowboys, though, still covet Howard.

A source close to Howard said the defensive end's agent spoke with Stephen Jones on Saturday, and he is expected to give Howard's agent a contract proposal today.

New Orleans made Howard, 28, its franchise player, and the Saints have tendered a one-year contract that will pay him $7.6 million this season, but the deal has not been signed.

If Howard doesn't sign the contract by 3 p.m. Monday, then he and the Saints can't negotiate a long-term deal that would help New Orleans lower Howard's salary-cap figure in 2005, until July.

If Howard can agree to terms with another team before the deadline Monday, then he could sign the tender, and his new club would have a 24-hour window to restructure the contract.

New Orleans reportedly wants at least a second-round pick for Howard. Howard, who had 11 sacks in 13 games last season, wants a long-term deal.

Howard will probably want a deal similar to the six-year, $33 million contract with a $14 million signing bonus that Grant Wistrom received from Seattle this month. Wistrom has 45 ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â½ sacks in seven seasons; Howard has 41 sacks in five seasons.

Even if the Cowboys reach a financial agreement with Howard, they must still figure out how to compensate the Saints.

Last month at the NFL scouting combine, Jerry Jones said he would not trade draft picks for players.

Howard could make Jones change his mind.

With Howard (6-3, 278 pounds) and Greg Ellis at defensive end and La'Roi Glover and Jason Ferguson at defensive tackle, the Cowboys could have their best defensive line since the early '90s.

Howard, who doesn't have the classic burst usually associated with outstanding pass-rushers, does an excellent job of using his hands and contorting his body to get around tackles and to the quarterback.

He's a proven playmaker with 16 sacks, four forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries in the last 21 games.

shadowdrinker · 03-13-2005, 01:37 AM

Good find...

I was sort of hoping on getting Dat..He\'s a solid player..and the Boys know that...

I wonder if Jones really will make the trade for a pick or two..or if He\'s serious about no trading for picks?

Who else would they have, that they would be willing to give in a FAIR trade?

Terrance Newman?..Roy Williams?...I don\'t think they would let Coakley go..He\'s overall, the best LB on the team...

I\'m not sure who Dallas has on the roster, besides those few mentioned that would warrant an even trade, with no picks..

alsaints113 · 03-13-2005, 01:39 AM

Boy I was really hoping for Nguyen too...I wonder why they are saying he was never on the table but there were all these reports that he was?

Could this be a way for the Cowgirls to fake out other teams that want Howard...say that your asking price is low to hope competitors prices are low too...even though yours is much higher?

I am hoping for somehow to end up with Nguyen...a great tackler with heart would be a great addition to our improving defense.

Oh well, I guess we\'ll have to wait the next two days out to see what happens.

Funny...on my Saints team on NFL2K5 after I won Super Bowl 39 before my 2005 season, I actually traded Howard for Nguyen...

jnormand · 03-13-2005, 02:07 AM

All hope is not lost Gents. Coaches BS like this all the time. The most recent was Joe Gibbs saying he had no intention of trading for Santana Moss. He said all the reports were bull. Well, a week later Moss is wearing a Redskins jersey. Lets just hope Jones and Parcells are full of it. The want Howard, and the Saints want a LB.

Euphoria · 03-13-2005, 02:23 AM

Yeah anything can happen. Also, the fact that the deadline approaches rumors are going to fly like mad.

mutineer10 · 03-13-2005, 06:01 AM

The Saints wanted Nguyen, who had a team-high 135 tackles with three interceptions last season, because he\'s a productive player, and he\'s close to Saints owner Tom Benson.

Huh? So Benson and Nguyen like to kick back on the yacht and slam down the saki together? Who knew?

JOESAM2002 · 03-13-2005, 08:15 AM

Coakley was signed by the Rams as an UFA.

OLB 8 Dexter Coakley UFA 8 5-10/236 Appalachian State Dallas St. Louis

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=196&p=9...lnid=83&pid=27

LKelley67 · 03-13-2005, 01:29 PM

i wuz wondering about that too. anyone have any idea what relation dat has to benson? an uncle in the hyundai importing business?

2nd n dat sounds good but #20 overall would be fine too. that with #16 could score jammal brown or khalif barnes and whoever you rank #2 OLB after dj, burnett or blackstock by most.

03-13-2005, 01:37 AM	#2
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Sunday Darren Howard Good find... I was sort of hoping on getting Dat..He\'s a solid player..and the Boys know that... I wonder if Jones really will make the trade for a pick or two..or if He\'s serious about no trading for picks? Who else would they have, that they would be willing to give in a FAIR trade? Terrance Newman?..Roy Williams?...I don\'t think they would let Coakley go..He\'s overall, the best LB on the team... I\'m not sure who Dallas has on the roster, besides those few mentioned that would warrant an even trade, with no picks..
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517

03-13-2005, 01:39 AM	#3
alsaints113 Registered Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 95	Sunday Darren Howard Boy I was really hoping for Nguyen too...I wonder why they are saying he was never on the table but there were all these reports that he was? Could this be a way for the Cowgirls to fake out other teams that want Howard...say that your asking price is low to hope competitors prices are low too...even though yours is much higher? I am hoping for somehow to end up with Nguyen...a great tackler with heart would be a great addition to our improving defense. Oh well, I guess we\'ll have to wait the next two days out to see what happens. Funny...on my Saints team on NFL2K5 after I won Super Bowl 39 before my 2005 season, I actually traded Howard for Nguyen...
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03-13-2005, 02:07 AM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Sunday Darren Howard All hope is not lost Gents. Coaches BS like this all the time. The most recent was Joe Gibbs saying he had no intention of trading for Santana Moss. He said all the reports were bull. Well, a week later Moss is wearing a Redskins jersey. Lets just hope Jones and Parcells are full of it. The want Howard, and the Saints want a LB.

03-13-2005, 02:23 AM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Sunday Darren Howard Yeah anything can happen. Also, the fact that the deadline approaches rumors are going to fly like mad.

03-13-2005, 06:01 AM	#6
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Sunday Darren Howard The Saints wanted Nguyen, who had a team-high 135 tackles with three interceptions last season, because he\'s a productive player, and he\'s close to Saints owner Tom Benson. Huh? So Benson and Nguyen like to kick back on the yacht and slam down the saki together? Who knew?

03-13-2005, 01:14 AM	#1
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Sunday Darren Howard i didn't see this on yesterday's thread- NO DAT Saturday, March 12, 2005 By JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR / The Dallas Morning News IRVING ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Âœ The Cowboys still want New Orleans Saints defensive end Darren Howard, but they're no longer willing to part with middle linebacker Dat Nguyen to complete a deal, two sources said Saturday. A source said Jim Steiner, Nguyen's agent, spoke to a team representative Saturday and was assured that Nguyen would not be traded. Initially, the Cowboys were willing to discuss an offer for Nguyen, but decided they didn't want to part with him, two sources said. Nguyen, owner Jerry Jones and vice president Stephen Jones could not be reached for comment. The Saints wanted Nguyen, who had a team-high 135 tackles with three interceptions last season, because he's a productive player, and he's close to Saints owner Tom Benson. The Cowboys, though, still covet Howard. A source close to Howard said the defensive end's agent spoke with Stephen Jones on Saturday, and he is expected to give Howard's agent a contract proposal today. New Orleans made Howard, 28, its franchise player, and the Saints have tendered a one-year contract that will pay him $7.6 million this season, but the deal has not been signed. If Howard doesn't sign the contract by 3 p.m. Monday, then he and the Saints can't negotiate a long-term deal that would help New Orleans lower Howard's salary-cap figure in 2005, until July. If Howard can agree to terms with another team before the deadline Monday, then he could sign the tender, and his new club would have a 24-hour window to restructure the contract. New Orleans reportedly wants at least a second-round pick for Howard. Howard, who had 11 sacks in 13 games last season, wants a long-term deal. Howard will probably want a deal similar to the six-year, $33 million contract with a $14 million signing bonus that Grant Wistrom received from Seattle this month. Wistrom has 45 ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â½ sacks in seven seasons; Howard has 41 sacks in five seasons. Even if the Cowboys reach a financial agreement with Howard, they must still figure out how to compensate the Saints. Last month at the NFL scouting combine, Jerry Jones said he would not trade draft picks for players. Howard could make Jones change his mind. With Howard (6-3, 278 pounds) and Greg Ellis at defensive end and La'Roi Glover and Jason Ferguson at defensive tackle, the Cowboys could have their best defensive line since the early '90s. Howard, who doesn't have the classic burst usually associated with outstanding pass-rushers, does an excellent job of using his hands and contorting his body to get around tackles and to the quarterback. He's a proven playmaker with 16 sacks, four forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries in the last 21 games.

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03-13-2005, 08:15 AM	#7
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Sunday Darren Howard Coakley was signed by the Rams as an UFA. OLB 8 Dexter Coakley UFA 8 5-10/236 Appalachian State Dallas St. Louis http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=196&p=9...lnid=83&pid=27

03-13-2005, 01:29 PM	#8
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Sunday Darren Howard i wuz wondering about that too. anyone have any idea what relation dat has to benson? an uncle in the hyundai importing business? 2nd n dat sounds good but #20 overall would be fine too. that with #16 could score jammal brown or khalif barnes and whoever you rank #2 OLB after dj, burnett or blackstock by most.