Drew Brees

WillSaints81 · 12-05-2016, 01:02 PM

I just feel that Brees losing a game like this at home to a team that scores points underscores the main fact that he's not Brady. Brady torched this team in 2014 and that lions defense was just as good as this year. You can say that Brees was unsettled but I cannot help but feel Brees has too many flaws to be in Brady and Manning's leagues.

I don't like this Brees but he's older so trust me when I say this. When we do get back to contending it's gonna be hell getting back to the sb. Playoff experience matters.

This is the kind of game that will get Brees disrespected. Sorry to say. I don't think the lions are that ferocious on defense. I feel that Brees is a shell of his former self. Don't come off with that crap next week "who says Brees is declining?" when he goes off against a bucs team that is not that great on defense and a division rival. It's when he plays these top defenses where his vulnerabilities are exposed.

Euphoria · 12-05-2016, 02:43 PM

Even Legends have a bad day... take it from me. LOL>

jnormand · 12-05-2016, 04:49 PM

Wtf? Brees threw some pics but I wouldn't blame the loss solely on him. And Ingram? The guy only had 7 runs because they abandoned the run game in the second quarter.

Cmon man. Get a grip.

Rell&Gold · 12-05-2016, 08:12 PM

Im so glad some of you don't have any say in personnel decisions because a lot them would be emotional based decisions

WillSaints81 · 12-05-2016, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Im so glad some of you don't have any say in personnel decisions because a lot them would be emotional based decisions

No. I pretty much have nailed the recent QBs success rates coming out of college. I would surely know the QB to draft to replace Brees. I would surely know that after Brees we will need to change philosophy from a pass first team to a run first team so I would get a big RB and fix the mess at oline. Also, I would stay away from defense-minded head coaches and look for someone like Haley or Norv.

foreverfan · 12-05-2016, 11:48 PM

YOU SHOULD NEVER BLAME BREES...

Year. Team CMP% YDS. TD INT Rating
2016 Saints 71.4 3,913 30 11 105.0

jnormand · 12-06-2016, 02:07 AM

Getting rid of Brees would be devastating. To think of it is completely ridiculous.

burningmetal · 12-06-2016, 04:25 AM

I had a lot of issues with this game, and I'm not sure I can name many who didn't botch something. The line was not good in pass protection, but on his first two interceptions he had plenty of time and just made horrible throws. I noticed that he kept staring down Cooks every time he threw his way. Reminded me of the later Jimmy Graham years.

The lack of balance in play calling was evident to everyone, and was miserable.

Payton cost us a timeout by challenging a call that wasn't even reviewable. Cooks was clearly not down, but they called him down and you can't change that. I can't believe that no one on the Saints sideline said anything to Payton about that, and I can't believe he didn't know that. Also, I couldn't believe the refs LET him challenge it. When something isn't reviewable, they are supposed to say that. It was a total waste of a challenge and timeout, especially when it was first and goal inside the 1.

Fleener had multiple critical drops. He is everything he was in Indy. A guy who might put up some stats, because he isn't a true tight end and can get open fairly well, but he drops way too many balls. This was common knowledge.

The defensive backfield was pathetic. They just left guys wide open all day. Breaux, in particular, got burned several times. He had perfect position on one, and seemed to literally just let Tate catch the ball. He made no effort to knock the ball away despite the fact that he was pretty much running the route for the receiver. This entire secondary has atrocious ball skills. Even when they are playing decent, they don't make big plays. There were multiple dropped interceptions, again.

I'm sure there is more, but that's about all I care to say about the negatives. Too many of them.

dizzle88 · 12-06-2016, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I had a lot of issues with this game, and I'm not sure I can name many who didn't botch something. The line was not good in pass protection, but on his first two interceptions he had plenty of time and just made horrible throws. I noticed that he kept staring down Cooks every time he threw his way. Reminded me of the later Jimmy Graham years.

The lack of balance in play calling was evident to everyone, and was miserable.

Payton cost us a timeout by challenging a call that wasn't even reviewable. Cooks was clearly not down, but they called him down and you can't change that. I can't believe that no one on the Saints sideline said anything to Payton about that, and I can't believe he didn't know that. Also, I couldn't believe the refs LET him challenge it. When something isn't reviewable, they are supposed to say that. It was a total waste of a challenge and timeout, especially when it was first and goal inside the 1.

Fleener had multiple critical drops. He is everything he was in Indy. A guy who might put up some stats, because he isn't a true tight end and can get open fairly well, but he drops way too many balls. This was common knowledge.

The defensive backfield was pathetic. They just left guys wide open all day. Breaux, in particular, got burned several times. He had perfect position on one, and seemed to literally just let Tate catch the ball. He made no effort to knock the ball away despite the fact that he was pretty much running the route for the receiver. This entire secondary has atrocious ball skills. Even when they are playing decent, they don't make big plays. There were multiple dropped interceptions, again.

I'm sure there is more, but that's about all I care to say about the negatives. Too many of them.

Yeah I thought Breaux was better than that, now however I'm not really sure why we were so excited about him coming back.

He tracked the ball and literally just watched it.

A great DB would have attacked the ball and got the pick
A good/average DB would have knocked the ball down.

Breaux watched it sail straight past him into Tate's hands.

AsylumGuido · 12-06-2016, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I had a lot of issues with this game, and I'm not sure I can name many who didn't botch something. The line was not good in pass protection, but on his first two interceptions he had plenty of time and just made horrible throws. I noticed that he kept staring down Cooks every time he threw his way. Reminded me of the later Jimmy Graham years.

The lack of balance in play calling was evident to everyone, and was miserable.

Payton cost us a timeout by challenging a call that wasn't even reviewable. Cooks was clearly not down, but they called him down and you can't change that. I can't believe that no one on the Saints sideline said anything to Payton about that, and I can't believe he didn't know that. Also, I couldn't believe the refs LET him challenge it. When something isn't reviewable, they are supposed to say that. It was a total waste of a challenge and timeout, especially when it was first and goal inside the 1.

Fleener had multiple critical drops. He is everything he was in Indy. A guy who might put up some stats, because he isn't a true tight end and can get open fairly well, but he drops way too many balls. This was common knowledge.

The defensive backfield was pathetic. They just left guys wide open all day. Breaux, in particular, got burned several times. He had perfect position on one, and seemed to literally just let Tate catch the ball. He made no effort to knock the ball away despite the fact that he was pretty much running the route for the receiver. This entire secondary has atrocious ball skills. Even when they are playing decent, they don't make big plays. There were multiple dropped interceptions, again.

I'm sure there is more, but that's about all I care to say about the negatives. Too many of them.

While I agree with you that Payton definitely should not have challenged the Cooks' play, I have to disagree with you on a few of points. The play was reviewable. I know the announcer said it wasn't, but it was. Also, if it was not reviewable the refs definitely would not have accepted the review. And finally, Cooks was clearly down. Yes, he was pulled down upon the defender's body and rolled over and off, but before gaining his feet his forearm clearly hit the turf. That is down by contact.

But, with first and goal inside the one, Payton should never have taken the chance.

12-05-2016, 01:02 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Drew Brees I just feel that Brees losing a game like this at home to a team that scores points underscores the main fact that he's not Brady. Brady torched this team in 2014 and that lions defense was just as good as this year. You can say that Brees was unsettled but I cannot help but feel Brees has too many flaws to be in Brady and Manning's leagues. I don't like this Brees but he's older so trust me when I say this. When we do get back to contending it's gonna be hell getting back to the sb. Playoff experience matters. This is the kind of game that will get Brees disrespected. Sorry to say. I don't think the lions are that ferocious on defense. I feel that Brees is a shell of his former self. Don't come off with that crap next week "who says Brees is declining?" when he goes off against a bucs team that is not that great on defense and a division rival. It's when he plays these top defenses where his vulnerabilities are exposed.

12-05-2016, 02:43 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Drew Brees Even Legends have a bad day... take it from me. LOL> jnormand, leilung, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.

12-05-2016, 04:49 PM	#3
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Drew Brees Wtf? Brees threw some pics but I wouldn't blame the loss solely on him. And Ingram? The guy only had 7 runs because they abandoned the run game in the second quarter. Cmon man. Get a grip. dizzle88 likes this.

12-05-2016, 08:12 PM	#4
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Drew Brees Im so glad some of you don't have any say in personnel decisions because a lot them would be emotional based decisions Beastmode likes this.

12-05-2016, 11:40 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Drew Brees Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Im so glad some of you don't have any say in personnel decisions because a lot them would be emotional based decisions No. I pretty much have nailed the recent QBs success rates coming out of college. I would surely know the QB to draft to replace Brees. I would surely know that after Brees we will need to change philosophy from a pass first team to a run first team so I would get a big RB and fix the mess at oline. Also, I would stay away from defense-minded head coaches and look for someone like Haley or Norv.

12-05-2016, 11:48 PM	#6
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Drew Brees YOU SHOULD NEVER BLAME BREES... Year. Team CMP% YDS. TD INT Rating 2016 Saints 71.4 3,913 30 11 105.0 jeanpierre likes this.

12-06-2016, 02:07 AM	#7
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Drew Brees Getting rid of Brees would be devastating. To think of it is completely ridiculous. The Dude and darksoul35 like this.

12-06-2016, 04:25 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees I had a lot of issues with this game, and I'm not sure I can name many who didn't botch something. The line was not good in pass protection, but on his first two interceptions he had plenty of time and just made horrible throws. I noticed that he kept staring down Cooks every time he threw his way. Reminded me of the later Jimmy Graham years. The lack of balance in play calling was evident to everyone, and was miserable. Payton cost us a timeout by challenging a call that wasn't even reviewable. Cooks was clearly not down, but they called him down and you can't change that. I can't believe that no one on the Saints sideline said anything to Payton about that, and I can't believe he didn't know that. Also, I couldn't believe the refs LET him challenge it. When something isn't reviewable, they are supposed to say that. It was a total waste of a challenge and timeout, especially when it was first and goal inside the 1. Fleener had multiple critical drops. He is everything he was in Indy. A guy who might put up some stats, because he isn't a true tight end and can get open fairly well, but he drops way too many balls. This was common knowledge. The defensive backfield was pathetic. They just left guys wide open all day. Breaux, in particular, got burned several times. He had perfect position on one, and seemed to literally just let Tate catch the ball. He made no effort to knock the ball away despite the fact that he was pretty much running the route for the receiver. This entire secondary has atrocious ball skills. Even when they are playing decent, they don't make big plays. There were multiple dropped interceptions, again. I'm sure there is more, but that's about all I care to say about the negatives. Too many of them. jeanpierre and dizzle88 like this.
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12-06-2016, 04:36 AM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Drew Brees Originally Posted by burningmetal I had a lot of issues with this game, and I'm not sure I can name many who didn't botch something. The line was not good in pass protection, but on his first two interceptions he had plenty of time and just made horrible throws. I noticed that he kept staring down Cooks every time he threw his way. Reminded me of the later Jimmy Graham years. The lack of balance in play calling was evident to everyone, and was miserable. Payton cost us a timeout by challenging a call that wasn't even reviewable. Cooks was clearly not down, but they called him down and you can't change that. I can't believe that no one on the Saints sideline said anything to Payton about that, and I can't believe he didn't know that. Also, I couldn't believe the refs LET him challenge it. When something isn't reviewable, they are supposed to say that. It was a total waste of a challenge and timeout, especially when it was first and goal inside the 1. Fleener had multiple critical drops. He is everything he was in Indy. A guy who might put up some stats, because he isn't a true tight end and can get open fairly well, but he drops way too many balls. This was common knowledge. The defensive backfield was pathetic. They just left guys wide open all day. Breaux, in particular, got burned several times. He had perfect position on one, and seemed to literally just let Tate catch the ball. He made no effort to knock the ball away despite the fact that he was pretty much running the route for the receiver. This entire secondary has atrocious ball skills. Even when they are playing decent, they don't make big plays. There were multiple dropped interceptions, again. I'm sure there is more, but that's about all I care to say about the negatives. Too many of them. Yeah I thought Breaux was better than that, now however I'm not really sure why we were so excited about him coming back. He tracked the ball and literally just watched it. A great DB would have attacked the ball and got the pick A good/average DB would have knocked the ball down. Breaux watched it sail straight past him into Tate's hands.

12-06-2016, 09:44 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Drew Brees Originally Posted by burningmetal I had a lot of issues with this game, and I'm not sure I can name many who didn't botch something. The line was not good in pass protection, but on his first two interceptions he had plenty of time and just made horrible throws. I noticed that he kept staring down Cooks every time he threw his way. Reminded me of the later Jimmy Graham years. The lack of balance in play calling was evident to everyone, and was miserable. Payton cost us a timeout by challenging a call that wasn't even reviewable. Cooks was clearly not down, but they called him down and you can't change that. I can't believe that no one on the Saints sideline said anything to Payton about that, and I can't believe he didn't know that. Also, I couldn't believe the refs LET him challenge it. When something isn't reviewable, they are supposed to say that. It was a total waste of a challenge and timeout, especially when it was first and goal inside the 1. Fleener had multiple critical drops. He is everything he was in Indy. A guy who might put up some stats, because he isn't a true tight end and can get open fairly well, but he drops way too many balls. This was common knowledge. The defensive backfield was pathetic. They just left guys wide open all day. Breaux, in particular, got burned several times. He had perfect position on one, and seemed to literally just let Tate catch the ball. He made no effort to knock the ball away despite the fact that he was pretty much running the route for the receiver. This entire secondary has atrocious ball skills. Even when they are playing decent, they don't make big plays. There were multiple dropped interceptions, again. I'm sure there is more, but that's about all I care to say about the negatives. Too many of them. While I agree with you that Payton definitely should not have challenged the Cooks' play, I have to disagree with you on a few of points. The play was reviewable. I know the announcer said it wasn't, but it was. Also, if it was not reviewable the refs definitely would not have accepted the review. And finally, Cooks was clearly down. Yes, he was pulled down upon the defender's body and rolled over and off, but before gaining his feet his forearm clearly hit the turf. That is down by contact. But, with first and goal inside the one, Payton should never have taken the chance. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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